The Mylow story: what can be learned!

[WilbyInebriated]

Only in America, the rest of the world calls them train drivers 

Hans

LOL, thanks for the morning laugh hans. i'm gonna go play some golf, talk to you all later.

[wattsup]

So you want to know what we have learned. Hmmmmmmm.

Long read but after 500 pages of Mylow what's one more.

OPEN LETTER TO GUYS THAT BELIEVE IN OVERUNIT.COM
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Mylow Thread - Moderator Report - May 21st, 2009

The point is not does OU exist or not. The point is not is Mylwo fake or not. The point is not does the device work or not. The point is getting the best disclosure possible in the shortest period of time possible and this was not possible because of all this derailing activity that pushed this thing on and on.

You want to give kudos to @nyctuber 404 posts (NOW 432 - so 28 more since this morning) on this thread. That's 10% of the whole thread right there. Helloooooooo. Is that "normal". Tell me. Instead of shutting up a bit, no, he layed it on and on and on. The guy cannot be trusted in a disclosure setting involving a visitor. Same goes for many other members that just cannot contain their composure in front of a person that first we do not know, second we do not know what he has or does not have, etc. etc.

At overunity.com what don't we do? We don't spend our days posting things saying OU is not possible and we don't spend our days cursing at every new inventor on the block.

We get visitors with devices and ideas. We do not know if they are real or not. We do not know if the device is real or not.  With a general idea we decide yes or no, if YES, we can then investigate and potentially learn and/or try whatever WE DECIDE. Does not matter if it is this or that. We are here to get the disclosure. We are here to be attentive, to listen, to see, to learn. But again all this derailing just created such a commotion that is was very difficult or next to impossible to develop a reasonable perspective.

Some here talk to me about bias. Yeh I have a bias against "inventor bullying" because one day I would like to be an OU inventor and if you talked to me like you did to Mylow, then I would consider hoping on a plane to punch your face out. Big men with big words. So easy.

NOW, once the disclosure is given and tight, guys are open to discuss and debate and argue with each other, BUT THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS INSULTING THE VISITOR, NO MATTER WHAT THEY THINK. EVEN IF THE VISITOR IS THE WORST PRICK ON EARTH, we should not care about this. Example:

If Darth Vader came here with his Zublatron, we should not be spending all our time yelling at him because he gives Luke a hard time. We should be concentrated on the Zublatron. Luke is not our problem. The Zublatron is.

All we should concentrate on is the device. As soon as you start getting personal, you blew it and once this happened we were flung into a "patching things up" mode and lost some major investigative mode. So these derailers are actually giving all of us a harder time to do our jobs.

REMEMBER THIS RULES BECAUSE THE BAD GUYS WILL USE IT AGAINST US??
As soon as you start calling someone names, you have just changed the dynamics from one of potential mutual partners to distinct adversaries. How the hell can we get to the bottom of this with such a situation.

We don't give a damn what members really think at this stage because all we really want is the disclosure.

Guys come on the thread and post "Well, I think it is not real". Duhhhhhh.
This is not a vote and we do not care if it is real or not at this stage until we have a full disclosure.

If you can't get a proper disclosure, you can't make the right assessment, so actually the derailing did not help us at OU, it made the whole job even harder, looking through the finer aspects was harder, getting a rebuttal was harder, maintaining a straight investigative orientation was more difficult because everything was based on aggression, making the whole process last longer and much more tedious and tenuous. Sometimes stomach aching.

Sorry @TK but if I was to open a web site for inventors to properly disclose their devices, it would be open source, meaning the information is open to everyone, the disclosure author is kept anonymous during the disclosure. The author should not matter to us because we want to see the device. But the venue would have to be closed or selective. Other members could ask questions via a, aaaaaaaaaaaaa.......... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............a what.... .....a....................... disclosure clerk.

So just read the thread again from page 135 until I became the moderator and tell me. If you had a working wheel that you wanted to show the world and members here, MEMBERS of this forum, members that portray and "represent" supposedly the best and the brightest people involved in the OU field, also recognised by the discloser as having a pretty high level of importance, who then start shitting all over you, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

So now............. we are stuck because we do not really know what the real motivation was for Mylow to fake the bar magnet wheel. Was it because he was so pissed off at the same forum members that should have afforded him the right time of day, or was it because he was a pure shyster, or was it some bad guy influences. We don't know because the derailers added their slant on the number of ingredients involved in the dynamics of the disclosure. Thus tainting it. Good job boys. Say hi to your boss for me. lol

We have to be spotless as to not create ANY reason for dissent, otherwise we are working against ourselves and our ability to assess the situation for what it really is.

What would you say if our treatment of Mylow, (regardless of our inner beliefs) was one of total control, total understanding, total openness. Then we have not given any reason for dissent and then we would at least know if Mylow did fake, that it was him and not because of any emotional anything we did.

So what happens to the next guy that comes here. Do we put him through the same meat grinder?

As for Sterling, yes he did jump the gun because the decision to promote Mylow was made before the disclosure was completed and investigated. But again, the derailing here did not help because Sterling was thrown into patch mode also. Plus the impending Mylow rebuttals took on an overconvincing mode because of the derailing.

Sterling then did not expect to see a second wheel with bar magnets any more then I was and many other members were. BUT AGAIN, things were so aggressive with tons of crap posts one after the other that moved so fast.

At the time he put out his second wheel, we should have advised Mylow that his first disclosure is for the channel rotors and if he wanted to make a second disclosure with the bar magnets, he can do so once the first disclosure is finished, because we only take one disclosure at a time from any one discloser. We did not even have the time to think. We should have reacted to this right away but again there was so much shit flying around that it was again very hard to get a proper perspective.

The mentality here is so simplistic it scares me. If members cannot analyze what happened here at OU dot com and go into the depths of what "really" happened, then we are doomed. This site will fall into the OU ghetto where anything goes, any time I think something is not real, I have a right to insult the inventor, anytime I feel like making sprint posts, let's go, the more the merrier. No control over ones self, ones opinions, ones every thoughts. Just a bunch of loose cannons. Very dangerous stuff in a disclosure thread.

But fortunately the marjority of members here that have some history know all this already and have a decorum that is close to impeccable. It is these other shmucks that come in here and have access to the same threads, even disclosure threads, so we are at the mercy of any Tom, Dick and Harry. How can we be sooooooo stupid to allow this, I don't know, but I can guarantee you it will not happen again.

Now for a final tally. If I took the @Humbugger Litmus Test for proper overunity.com decorum and applied this to each and every post made in the Mylow topics, many should have been automatically  barred from the threads, no questions asked. Do you get the level at which we are talking here.

We all knew Mylow was reading this thread and yet we allowed members to say to other members, "hey guys, this Mylow character is a real duzzy wacko". HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID TO DO SUCH A THING IS JUST INCONCEIVABLE COMING FROM ANY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM. 

You know the best guy to do this OU job is a Sentry at the Queens Castle.
You can spit in his face and he won't move.
This is the control we need to master.
Well maybe not to spitt'in level.
Wheel two was found, but what about one.
Did the bar really work but Mylow faked it with the motor to disguise it as a fake.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
If he did that, it could be because he knew the Bigs were checking him make a fake, but he used a working wheel and just added the motor and string on purpose to pAss it off as a fake so he won't get into more trouble.
Maybe Mylow played a game but it was on the bigs.
Maybe I should not have said what I just said.
But I believe in open source so saying it takes it off my back and throws this back into the meld.
Mylow played a game but maybe it was on the bigs.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Did the channel really work best in threes.
We all flunked.

It is too bad because Sterling was a good ally to our forum and he gets the majority of inquires from inventors to review their work and you can rest assured he will no longer ask guys at OU.com to do the investigative work. Won't happen. Not under the current circumstances.

So yeh, I may be a prick of a moderator. Maybe I am a bit too stiff. But we are dealing with the unknown when inventors come here and we cannot afford to even miss ONE. The one we miss may be the one we should not have missed.

Imagine getting spit in the face and not reacting. Hmmmmmm. I couldn't do it. That, for me would deserve at least an upper cut.

Back to work.

wattsup

I will have my wheel this week, and I guess we will be closing the main thread because there is nothing more to say. The builders thread and others will still stay open because I will have things to show and am sure others will also.

MIB disclaimer: The above post is a pure fantasy and should not be taken at face value. Overunity does not exist and Mylow is the biggest faker the Earth has ever seen. We have been dupped by a magnet wheelin smart guy. Everyone, leave your wheels since working on ths is no longer worth the effort since we NOW KNOW IT IS FAKE. WOW Them MIB types really did a good job in bringing all the fakery to life. Thanks a lot MIB.

[markdansie]

@Hans
you are right and I stand reprimanded. i should have qualified that the majority of people here are decent hard working enthuist, I do appologise
Mark

[Cloxxki]

Could new claims of a working device perhaps get a label?
For instance. Mylow's claim is found on Youtube, and posted here by an OU.com member.
The moderator confirms that we have a claim here, which if true, would be of significance. Mylow as a person (posting elsewhere on the internet or when invited to come to OU.com) would get a special label, for every member to see. This means that every unprofessional remark (making up most of the pages) would be equal to immediate ban. A bit like making the Mylow "untouchable" for a given time he's given to earn full support for his/her invention. A debunking thread would be opened, where the same rules apply, but only constructive ideas of  "how to fake" are posed, without getting personal or unfriendly, in any direction.

In short : when there is a claim of OU, we all get in "serious" mode, and live by "rules of engagement".

Furthermore, a panel could be made up to investigate the claims, and get in contact with the inventor, if he/she so accepts. Act as professional and respecting colleagues, wanting to learn, wanting to believe. When a Mylow presents itself to the world, a magnetic motor specialist could be volunteered to make some investigations, and post some considerations.

The "Serious" section of OU.com would be a wealth to read. No superfluous posts (like mine admittedly can be), all nicely moderated and overseeable. No hundreds of pages acting as a black hole for information.

Moderators could also promote ideas posed to a higher level, to be treated with similar care, for the sake of something possibly significant not to be let go of too easily. I see stickies on the forums, but they're often old. Information stored in it not really easy to access.

First posts of a threads that matter should be updated with the latest information, offering good insight in the case. Participants in the discussion, most important attachments to study, etc.
Hard work of course (I was a moderator for years on a mega busy forum, and I was considered a na zi), but well worth it. Good posts get re-read by newbies all the time. I've had posts read hundreds of thousands of times, really sending good info into the world, and saving the forum the noise of random FAQ's.

[Paul-R]

Hans, please...

Physics as we know it is pretty good.

No, it isn't. That's the point. The old description of magnets using the domain idea is nonsense. The Law of Conservation of Energy means nothing if your equation does not include ALL forms of energy, including those that we do not know about or do not understand.

Most of physics is pretty useful, but there inadequacies and also big holes. Remember Hal Puthoff and the Nobel Prize winners for 1957.

What is certain is that videos without technical descriptions mean nothing.