Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

[i_ron]

Actually releasing this old information again, that has been successfully disproved in the past,
Regards, Larry

Gosh Larry, that was old stuff... here is some newer stuff, OK?

"Now concerning those new videos that claim to use DC motors: Your videos are not useful as records of scientific experiments, because they do not provide enough information for anybody to reproduce your results. I need to know what equipment you used. Unlike the Ryobi motor, these have no unique identifying features. As a minimum, please provide the manufacturer and model number of the DC motor you say was used in your laboratory. Also, the manufacturer and model number of the power supply used to drive that motor. I need to study the datasheets for these items before commenting further on these particular videos. I especially require the speed-torque curves. Obviously you must have the speed-torque and speed-current curves already, right? Without them, it was impossible for you to delineate which of the observed behaviours were due to the motor, and which are due to the Perepiteia machine.
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What I would like to know with specificity are the identity of your DC motor, how its stator and armature coils are wired, its control system, and its characteristic curves for the way it is wired: the speed-torque, torque-current, and speed-current relationships. That’s because the behaviour of your DC motor is the only part of your work that I don’t understand yet. You have not been willing to provide that information so far. In fact, you have never answered even one of the questions I posed in my letters here (even simple ones e.g. “Is the motor a Lab-Volt 8211?”)
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[note information was asked for… none given, see below]

June 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Sorry again you are actually an ignorant whiner.
You can babble your baloney for years and get nowhere â€" so I invite you to come to the lab at Ottawa University at your convenience and remove your ignorance. That is why we are there!
I will give you the 2 hours required to explain the technology. Then you can serve your readers properly by writing an article that is accurate, truthful and factually correct.
So far you have done none of this and it is your journalistic integrity that is being damaged here. So if you want to clean up your act â€" take the first step.
Cheers
Thane
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June 2nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
For more than a year now I have been posting information and every single development here:
ttp://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=109.0
There are 480 pages of information, photos and replication instructions,
People all over the world are replicating the technology and sharing.
Cheers
Thane
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.” Actually, Heins has had more intelligent people look at the device who did tell him that the device doesn’t work and some who explained why not, but Heins is not willing to admit to these less-than-investor-friendly encounters. As I said, he’s very selective in the information he releases.
No serious scientists that I know of accept Heins’ back-EMF theory because it has been experimentally disproved. If you want to see an example of such a publication, see my paper here and follow-up posts. Detailed quantitative experiments are not available because Heins does not accept having them carried out.
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Now what about Heins’ own “experiments” shown on video? Whatever they do show, they are useless for testing his theory, and also useless for evaluation the efficiency of his generator. If you have a motor and generator attached to each other, and you measure the (electrical) power going into the motor and the (electrical) power coming out of the generator, but not the (mechanical) power being transfered from the motor to the generator, then you do not know which machine is causing your observations. It is a useless experiment. I have shown in my paper that acceleration with declining power consumption is a normal feature of NEMA class A and B single phase induction motor operation under the conditions Heins uses in his lab. Why reject these facts? They come straight from the website of a reliable disinterested party, Reliance Motors. A similar acceleration effect can happen under some conditions with DC motors, especially if they are series-wired instead of shunt-wired. That is why I’ve been pressing Mr. Heins for more information on his DC motor, but I think he realizes his back is to the wall, so he’s being uncooperative. The case for conducting dynamometer tests is precisely that they separate the motor and generator contributions to the results. Again, Mr. Heins is reluctant to accept this testing, especially not be independent third parties free to publish the results, probably because he’s still fishing for investors who don’t do technical audits of inventions before investing in them."

[minde4000]

Ron why are you trying so hard?

[i_ron]

I am not going to speak for Thane as to why he deleted Ron's post. But based on past experience I have a good idea why based on the tag team harassing him into a frenzy.

Regards, Larry

Had an interesting post from one of the list members to day.
Here is the essence of his post...

(Post to the Star reporter on May 29th)

"I think Thane Heins has been bought out by a larger company. 
I hope you are working on the story".

The answer from the Star reporter:

"I can assure you he hasn't".

Ron

[LarryC]

Gosh Larry, that was old stuff... here is some newer stuff, OK?

"Now concerning those new videos that claim to use DC motors: Your videos are not useful as records of scientific experiments, because they do not provide enough information for anybody to reproduce your results. I need to know what equipment you used. Unlike the Ryobi motor, these have no unique identifying features. As a minimum, please provide the manufacturer and model number of the DC motor you say was used in your laboratory. Also, the manufacturer and model number of the power supply used to drive that motor. I need to study the datasheets for these items before commenting further on these particular videos. I especially require the speed-torque curves. Obviously you must have the speed-torque and speed-current curves already, right? Without them, it was impossible for you to delineate which of the observed behaviours were due to the motor, and which are due to the Perepiteia machine.
***
What I would like to know with specificity are the identity of your DC motor, how its stator and armature coils are wired, its control system, and its characteristic curves for the way it is wired: the speed-torque, torque-current, and speed-current relationships. That’s because the behaviour of your DC motor is the only part of your work that I don’t understand yet. You have not been willing to provide that information so far. In fact, you have never answered even one of the questions I posed in my letters here (even simple ones e.g. “Is the motor a Lab-Volt 8211?”)
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I'm going to answer this in two parts, first the DC motor portion as stated above. Any body with knowledge of DC motor characteristic would know the matching AC motor characteristics, which means they would know what type of DC motor is required. So, why are you asking such a obivious question? Do you really want the answer?

Regards, Larrry

[baroutologos]

Ok, this is it.

I demand from moderator just to KICK OUT all people who constantly criticize Peripeteia. (get the f....ck out of here)

This is a replication thread omg. Go open one of yours named "Why Thane's pereipeteia can never work".

If anyone read the first major thread from beggining to end is full of criticism even though remarkable progress and results given. WTF you want more??
Go play tetris.
If moderator does not take action, i will make my OWN thread of replication and kick out all criticism. That's said democratically.

Regarding Thane's attitude, perhaps in the worst case scenario he is under a  confidential agreement and cannot disclose much of modern advances. But from what i read so far what the man is saying are in allignment with his work.

Who will criticize him? Tell me one of his critics what does he offered to the public? Thane offered Peripeteia. You offered what? Criticism?

Get lost

Regards,
Baroutologos

ps: pissed