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Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

Started by hartiberlin, May 28, 2009, 05:54:52 PM

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i_ron

Quote from: i_ron on June 21, 2009, 02:03:18 PM

The probe is at the end of the core.


OK, sorry, false alarm... this is normal behavior for any shorted coil.
I hadn't tried the HC coil shorted before... but it does the same thing.
So this was a first hall test and a learning experience...
I didn't know this sort of thing happened...
here is the HC coil shorted:

Ron

Kator01

Hi I_Ron,

normal behaviour ? I did not know it. Is this written in the textbooks ?
Here is a link where you can see the process of coupled oscillation :


http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/coupled/coupled.html

Regards

Kator01

i_ron

Quote from: Kator01 on June 21, 2009, 07:23:57 PM
Hi I_Ron,

normal behaviour ? I did not know it. Is this written in the textbooks ?
Here is a link where you can see the process of coupled oscillation :


http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/coupled/coupled.html

Regards

Kator01

I have never seen any such reference either, so was a surprise to me. But the clue that it is not a resonance effect was on a run down test the phase remained locked right down until it practically stopped and lost trigger sync.

Why this happening is still of interest though is because of Mr T's emphasis on the shorted HV coil. So I have left my scope shots up as a reference.
It would be interesting to see these kinds of tests on some of his better performing coils.

Ron

Oh, thanks for the link, I had an idea of what you were talking about but this effect seems to be different...


baroutologos

Thanks Mr T for the clarifications given, regarding coils' totaly unorthodox behaviour regarding current flowing on them in conventional explaination terms.

IMO, instead of just saying "loading the coil" in our case it will be more suitable and helpful for replicators at saying amounts of energy extracted out of it and maintaing accellaration effects etc.

Because even a HC coil can operate at the "boundaries of accellaration" on these rotor speeds and frequencies, by over-loading it (i.e. max current thourgh does not decellarate much either - shorted)

question: One of contemporary coils of yours (22 gauge-bifilar) what is the maximum energy you can extract from it in order to marginally start acting as a break (or break even :) )

question2: It's better (in energy amount terms) to extract energy directly from HV coils or just employing shorted HV coils as "motors" and having HC coils (on them or physically spaced apart) for the generator part?


Regards,
Baroutologos

ps: thanks for patience and infos given

ps2: I decided to forget my old setup and procceed with a new one. Ready made coils (audio speakers) of extra thin laminations, high saturation levels, very little eddie currents and hysteresis losses.
The pulsed motor will be dismantled and a high efficiency permanent magnet dc motor will take the job.
Finally after some experimenting i plan at upgrading rotor's performance by adding six south poles double stacted neos betweeen the 6 north ones.
We see from there..

alan

Quote from: CRANKYpants on June 19, 2009, 07:35:37 AM
THE NITPICKERS ARE WAITING IN THE WINGS TO POUNCE ON ANY WRONG WORD SO I WON'T RESPOND TO THIS "LOADED" QUESTION AND IT IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN, OR NEVER WILL BE A DESIGN GOAL.

THE DESIGN GOAL IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN GENERATOR NEUTRAL ARMATURE REACTION (SEE PREVIOUS POST) - THIS ACCELERATING ROTOR BUSINESS WAS NEVER MY IDEA, NOR INTENTION NOR DESIRE - IT IS GOD'S SICK SENSE OF HUMOR COMING OUT TO SHOW US HOW STUPID WE ALL ARE - AND IT'S GOD'S BRILLIANT MARKETING STRATEGY TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT.

ANY ATTENTION IS GOOD ATTENTION.

T
You can get neutral reaction by loading the wheel with a HC lenz inducing coil or mechanically coupled generator, both with variable load to tune it to steady speed. With the HV coil you nullify the braking of the HC or generator -> equal and opposite forces [braking and acceleration] = steady speed.
So use HV and HC with variable load, combined