Thane Heins Perepiteia Replications

[phoneboy]

@ wattsup, not too got with lenz law but what if you rotated the flux of a magnet without moving the magnet or the coil in proximity to the magnet, if you think it could work I have a suggestion.

[wattsup]

@ wattsup, not too got with lenz law but what if you rotated the flux of a magnet without moving the magnet or the coil in proximity to the magnet, if you think it could work I have a suggestion.

@phoneboy

If your idea is to use a magnet with a coil wrapped on it and the coil is used to moved the magnets field in a way to cause its field to move near another coil, this has been tried and tried many times. It is very very difficult and energy consuming to do this since the magnetic field is strong and stable and you will require so much energy in the pulse coil. Even then, the magnet field will still be very hard to move.

My idea is simply to keep the north on one side of a rotor and hence the south will be on the other side and then to put air coils on each side of the rotor all the way around. The north and south air coils are positioned so that when the rotor turns, the north magnet hits the north air coils then continues further so the south magnet hits the south air coil always after it hits the north side. This way you get your positive produced on one side of the rotor, then the negative on the other side of the rotor, then the positive, then the negative, etc. More analogous to the workings of a battery or a capacitor having its separate plates and the rotor simply providing a moving dielectric.

This way the magnets never have to make any of the air coils go from positive to negative. This cuts out at least 50% of the impending drag.

Also since the air coils do not have an iron laminated core, the magnets will not need to engaged in any magnet to iron attraction that helps from one side but hinders from the other when it is time to break the attraction.

If each air coil is then connected to the other via individual diodes, then the air coil cannot hold its charge while the magnet is off the coil. This makes re-entering of the magnet field over the air coils very easy after each pulse is generated.

Sort of like "make the juice and extract it right away". This does not allow the produced power to grow in the air coils and hence, they cannot maintain any magnetism that will hinder the rotation of the rotor.

If you consider that motor drag is more the result of non-extracted energy from the rotor/stator relation. Even in an alternator, the coils are placed in series and the bridge rectifier is placed at the end of all the coils. So the coils still can maintain a mutual energy storage between them and this causes added drag for the rotor. If the energy can be extracted right away, it is like each air coil will restart from the zero point after each magnet passage and will not be able to mutually hold a charge with the other air coils, thus the rotor magnets will be free to rotate without drag, or very minimal drag.

But I need to know if anyone has every tried putting the same polarity magnets on one side of a rotor and what the result was.

Anyways, let me work on this a little more. But I am so busy learning with other stuff on the table right now, I just thought someone would already have tried this in some way and could provide some additional insight either for or against the idea is OK with me. 

[baroutologos]

My question is, do any of you know what the result would be if the magnets were all north or all south, with the  being either air core or with a core. I am presently looking at a few new angles to consider lenzless power production and any answers here would help. If you need any more further details, please post here.

wattsup

Hey man, long time no see

Ahhh.. you are not paying attention! If you go back-back this thread, my first perepiteia replication looked lika a Bedini free energy generator.  (since i wanted to cross check both ideas for common points) It was actually six double stacked neo-magnets all N out. (I had a similar rotor with six double stacked ferrite magnets all N out to check for any major differences and for wanted a efficient motor running perepiteia mode)

The "perepiteia effect" is indeed there even with the 6 all north magnets out, but happens at higher rpm range and is feebler than the traditional NSNS configuration.

Aircore tried and did not respond at all. At least in my setups and my experimental RPM range (0-3000 rpm of 12 NSNS magnets)
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This "Peripeteia effect" is one of the few peculiar effects that can be met in this area of study. All claimed G-field generators (Kromarey, Bedini, Ekclin etc) exhibit this effect.

It has nothing to do with coil's impedance delaying the current as i have demonstrated (and Thane insisted rather) than the manipulation of the magnetic field (aether22 and latter i study the same effect with few turns coils being multifillar)

One of the more satisfying yet draft explanations i have been suggested is that in this effect the coils attain some short of resonance or behave as "magnetic capacitors".
In practical terms, when current circulates upon a dead short, the cogging effect is diminished. Upon enforcing resistance or impedance to the circuit, Lenz kicks in. (it is quite different than the diminished cogging effect as Lenz drag is smooth while initial cogging is not)

Anyway, appart from theories, no energy can be extracted from this setup unless paid for it. So far of course...

By the way, i guess you understand what i am talking about. Right?

[wattsup]

@baroutologos

Yes I understand fully what you are saying and also my limited time available because of other works, pushed me to pick your brains for some quick feedback on this idea. With great thanks I must add.

I also understand you had done some tests with all north. Back in January of 2009 I posted a diagram of a design that I am now modifying and putting below to better show you my idea.

By putting the magnets in the rotor so all face North to the right and South to the left, each of the coil sides will only pick up one polarity. Each coil side will not have to deal with both polarities hence the pull and push effect will be greatly diminished.

When you consider what load is on a generator and why under greater load a generator is subjected to drag, I have noticed that in most cases the load is not placed in the right sequence of events or should I say in the most preferential position. We turn a generator and place our load on the output and then wonder why the hell the generator is stubbornly slowing down when we turn up a rheostat on a bank of light bulbs.

We make a generator with any array of coils, we then put them in series or parallel and then we put a bridge rectifier at the generator output if we want DC or we leave it as a direct to load connection if we want AC. Bingo, the check mate situation has already taken place and anything you try to do will not work because either way, the coils are bundled together in the build and will mutually increase in tension and pressure (voltage and amperage) and this increase will stay in the coils and impart back to the rotor as drag.

Now in the case below, if each of those coils were dioded before they are placed in series or parallel, then the energy cannot stay in the coil. It leaves the coil and cannot return, so the coil cannot see an increase in any mutual coil flux hence it should not impart back to the rotor as drag.

Now the idea here is not to make the standard rotor/stator relation that directly produces your standard output as let's say 110 volts and 20 amps. The idea here is to produce 5000 volts at 1/2 amp, then once it is out of the generator, do what you want with it. Step down voltage and increase the amperage, etc.

Since the rotor would be turning between core-less coils that only handle one polarity, the energy required to turn it at very high speeds should be peanuts, compared to what you have to deal with in a traditional configuration. Especially when we already all know that at a given input power, higher rotor speed means lower torque.

But in any case, regardless if one should build it this way or in any other way, I am convinced that dioding each individual coil will result in much less developed drag in all cases. Granted the output may be in a different form, who cares. That would be a beautiful problem to have.

Anyways, as long as I have this in writing on the forum, I can refer back to it for furtherance. I will look to make a small scale testing on this idea simply because there are so many motor builders in the world and the advent of a simple solution/build could be a good help to the OU needs of the world as another way, because there is more then one way. lol

I would like to thank you again for your input and wish you to keep well.

[lespaul109]

possible energy extraction

jake