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Started by Farrah Day, June 14, 2009, 07:13:39 AM

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Grumpy

Quote from: poynt99 on June 14, 2009, 10:35:46 PM
Increased voltage results in increased electron drift velocity VD, which is typically quite slow.

The number of electrons flowing in parallel is influenced by the cross-sectional area of the conductor.

Besides physical dimension, what else affects the effective cross-sectional area of a conductor?

What does this imply for DC, AC and sharp transient inputs?

If there are implications, how does it affect drift velocity, if at all?

Would it be possible to achieve VD=c ?

.99

Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.
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tsl

Quote from: Grumpy on June 15, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.
I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.

Grumpy

Quote from: Grumpy on June 15, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Current is proportional to drift velocity.

VD=c would make for a very very large current.

Density of the material (particle density) and the resistance of the material affects drift velocity.  This all boils down to the current density and if this is too high for the conductor, bad things happen.

DC is a slow drift, AC is a drift back and forth (to and fro), and a transient probably is too fast for the drift to start and any current associated with the transient is a different form of current.  Total current is the sum of all currents.

I don't think it is possible to make electrons move a "c" in a conductor, even a super-conductor, and if you did make them move this fast, it might not bee a good thing.

There are other ways to produce a current that does not have these limitations.

Quote from: tsl on June 18, 2009, 10:49:05 AM
I think we all agree with you.But still there can be something moving at "c" and that's not electrons.

I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Why does anything have to "move"?

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

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tsl

I have found very few that agree with me.  They can be counted on one hand.

Agree on that too :)

Why does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

Also, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.

That's also correct

Grumpy



Quote from: tsl on June 18, 2009, 11:26:28 AM

QuoteWhy does anything have to "move"?

Why?That's a good point.It's all dynamics.It have to.

QuoteAlso, I'd venture a guess that "velocity" is not the only important factor.
That's also correct


Does anything physical move?

What other factors are important?



It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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