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Overunity Machines Forum



New TPU build

Started by Farrah Day, June 14, 2009, 07:13:39 AM

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dutchy1966

Farrah,

The design of the coils is still up for debate. The general accepted coil layout was first proposed by user Tao a few years ago now.
Maybe you see a different arrangement.....

Here is what SM gave us on coils:

53.   About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

62.   Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.

regards

Dutchy

Grumpy

Quote from: Farrah Day on June 27, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
You may well suggest it BEP, but magnetic fields would seem to be one of the only things we can be sure are interacting. Out of curiousity what do you suggest I replace 'magnetic' with?

And Grumps, some time back you said the Spherics design might be the place to start, yet Spherics talks about the effect of producing one magnetic field inside another. So, please elaborate on 'Double ditto'.

Wattsup, would you kindly point me to where we have a first hand description of SM's coil layout. It would afterall be nice to get just one thing unequivocally substantiated around here.

There are other fields besides magnetic fields.  How is a magnetic field created in the first place?
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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Grumpy

Quote from: tsl on June 27, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
what about air as a core?there is a solution also for dealing with the fields that would be not contained and that's related to the topic here. :P

Love to discuss that solution, which is sure as hell alluding me.
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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Farrah Day

QuoteThere are other fields besides magnetic fields.  How is a magnetic field created in the first place?

Oh, give me a break, why can't you people stay a little more grounded? Fair enough there are other fields, so what!  Are you really suggesting we should try to build a TPU on the basis that there are other fields beside magnetic fields?  Very intriguing... so where do you suggest we start with that one?

Don't tell me I know, 'I could explain it but I don't have to, so I reserve the right not to.'  Anywhere close?

QuoteHere is what SM gave us on coils:

53.   About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important.
You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

62.   Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.


Yes, thanks Dutchy. I'd read that, but given the suspect nature of info around here I just wondered if it had actually been substantiated anywhere independently.  I take it then that all that has been done is based solely upon the supposed emails from SM to Mannix. Blimey that is one tenuous thread and great leap of faith on which to base years of discussion and numerous TPU replication attempts. 

If SM was so secretive, why talk to Mannix? And if you are going to spill the beans, why do it through a third party?  This does not sit right with me. I get the impression that SM was a front man, someone who enjoyed the attention and a control freak... if so, he would not want to give up this control to a third party.

Why does Mannix not post anymore? Could it be because the seeds have now been planted and the shoots of misdirection are thriving?

Does anyone actually know who Mannix is/was? 

Because if, as I suspect, Mannix was SM, then you've all really been taken for a jolly ride to wonderland!
Farrah Day

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts"

dutchy1966

Quote
Yes, thanks Dutchy. I'd read that, but given suspect nature of info around here I just wondered if it had actually been substantiated anywhere independently.  I take it then that all that has been done is based solely upon the supposed emails from SM to Mannix. Blimey that is one tenuous thread and great leap of faith on which to base years of discussion and numerous TPU replication attempts. 

If SM was so secretive, why talk to Mannix? And if you are going to spill the beans, why not do it in person?  This does not sit right with me.

Why does Mannix not post anymore? Could it be because the seeds have no been planted?

Does anyone actually know who Mannix is/was? 

Because if, as I suspect, Mannix was SM, then you've all really been taken for a jolly ride to wonderland!

Yes I guess this is all based on the info we have been given by Mannix. It is all vague and therefore everyone reads something different in it.
But once you stop trusting the source there is nothing left to go by.... Maybe it has been trip to wonderland...

Wether Mannix is SM I can't say for sure, but my feeling says they're actually two different persons.
Mannix has been on here a lot and still even is every now and then. He's even been on other boards discussing the emails he supposedly got from SM.
I would say that if he is SM he would have made a mistake by now that would have given it away.....

And, for him not posting anymore, I think there is a very simple explanation; SM stopped communicating and Mannix knows nothing more than we do....

Dutchy