Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[MileHigh]

To the whole gang of misfits:

It was a big news high drama day!  Wasn't it fun?!  lol

For Aaron:

Ok, so you are utterly convinced that you are correct, and you believe that you have solid data to back the claim up.  Plus you have the DSO for another month, yippee!!!!

So, at this point, will you do a capacitor test?  It's so ridiculously easy to do.  Get a large capacitor and charge that baby up.  In the spirit of being as accurate as possible, I suggest that you do a control first.  We need to do this because you are tweaking the circuit to the point were the power consumption is extremely low.

Just take your big 50,000 uF electrolytic cap, and charge her up to 12.6 volts and just let it sit there for 15 minutes with nothing connected to it, and then take a sample of the voltage with your best multimeter.  Are the two voltages the same?  This is just to establish that the thing isn't leaking.

Then leave your best multimeter connected to it for 15 minutes.  This is just to see how the multimeter load affects the voltage.  With a cap that big the voltage drop will probably be less than 0.01 volts.

Let's number crunch on the fly and limbo at the same time!!!

50,000 uF = 0.05 Farads
1 MOhm = 1,000,000 Ohms

R x C = 50,000 seconds!!!  That's one hard hard boiled egg!

Connect the multimeter for 15 minutes anyways, just to be sure....

Now we are ready to go where no man has gone before, we have the technology.

Connect the big fat 50,000 uF cap charged to 12.6 volts to your setup, where you have already done your tweaking ahead of time to get the negative power consumption.  After the cap is powering the circuit you might want to take a spot check with your scope to see that you have the correct "negative power" waveform like you have in your clips.

Now, let that baby run and monitor the cap voltage and see what happens.

I am a bit concerned about the current consumption being so low and the capacitor being very big such that the voltage barely changes after 10 minutes....

Hmmm... Let's look into that...

i = C dv/dt

dv/dt = i/C

So... if we assume 1 microampere of current consumption (OUT or IN depending on your side of the fence)...   Hmmmm.....

dv/dt = 10^-6/0.05 = 0.00002 volts per second.  So after 10 minutes, you are looking at a voltage drop or increase of roughly (we are going to be bad and smart and ignore the exponential curve here) 600 x 0.00002 = 0.012 volts.

Hmmmmmmm....  If we are assuming 1 mircoamp negative current into a 50,000 uF cap then we get a roughly 0.012 volt increase on the cap after 10 minutes.

Hmmmmmmm....  Perhaps it would be wiser to use a cap of 5000 uF instead of 50,000 uF because then we would expect a voltage increase (decrease dammit!) of 0.12 volts.  That sounds better to me.  The time constant is 5000 seconds under the multimeter load in this case which is still fine.

In summation, assuming your circuit supplies 1 uA to the battery when running in "negative consumption" mode, using a cap of 5000 uF should give you a voltage increase of about 0.12 volts after 10 minutes.

That was my theoretical expertise in action for you Aaron - I stepped into the Way-Back Machine and found some neurons were still flashing!

Pretty please do the cap test.

[EDIT: Since the drain (or source) current to/from the load may be super miniscule, DON'T leave the multimeter connected, just take a three second sample of the voltage after 10 minutes - do not disturb.]

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[MileHigh]

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Just a few more comments, briefly, it's late and I am tired.

Aaron - your two most recent clips - I'll back .99 on this one by a google percent - playing with ZEROS on your display - ZEROS with a flashing negative sign?

Let's start a web site, "Pseudo Tech Geeks Gone Crazy" - we can sell millions of DVDs and get rich!!!  Seriously dude... what planet are you on, man??  That whole scene was just grody to the max - wasn't tubular at all.

Looking at a digital multimeter displaying goose eggs with a flashing negative sign is metaphysically inconclusive data, dude!  Go for a flight on a pink elephant.

The video I showed you on the meter - well, the gel cell battery CLIMBED IN VOLTAGE OVERNIGHT. As of about 3am this morning, it was at 11.59 and it is now as of noon 11.61! So obviously on the smaller 7ah batt is it able to get charged up better than the bigger flooded cell at these low negative wattage levels. The flooded cell will give extended running time on draw downs compared to the gel but this shows even more in favor that I have shown accurate data - THE BATTERY VOLTAGE INCREASED 0.02 VOLTS OVER 9 HOURS!!!

I am pulling the hair out of my head Aaron!!!  I know, I know.... sob.... sniff.... It's the "Attack of the Pseudo Tech Geeks and their Magnificent Battery Voltage Increases" - and Pamela Anderson Lee makes a appearance in her "Barb Wire" character.  Joit wants to show her his coil and it goes "Boooooing!"

Barb Wire whips all you pseudo tech geek boy bitches into shape and tells all of you that there will be no more silly reports of battery voltage increases because they mean absolutely nothing.  She is looking for a pseudo tech geek with real ENERGY and a big coil, and nothing else will do!  She is watching your skanky little asses to make sure you can pump out ENERGY, because voltage doesn't cut it at all in the REAL WORLD.

Any chance you pseudo tech geeks will actually take note of this?  Watch out for Pamela's whip and stiletto heels.  It's enough to make any coil prematurely discharge.

MileHigh

[poynt99]

MH,

Although I agree with the cap test, it's most likely quite futile to expect it to be performed by Aaron, or anyone in that camp for that matter, including their straw hero Harvey.

Anything that might jeopardize their momentum is out of the question. In fact, if they are not careful and watchful, Harvey may soon bring down the whole ship while gargling on his boot.

Anyway, you've read Aaron's posts today so you see to what lengths he will go to to prevent the house of cards from falling. Almost nothing he said today was rational nor logical, and anyone outside these forums who have not been so conditioned to read such nonsense would be flabbergasted at what they would see.

I have invited a Tektronix Applications Engineer to the EF forum. How interesting would that be?

So Aaron has put me on his ignore list, but he wants to see my video.  Imagine that. I will probably do it anyway and post the link here. I doubt the folks at EF would be interested anyway, and it would seem none would believe it either. So I won't bother posting it there.

Regards,
.99

[poynt99]

You crack me up DUDE 

That was *sick* and tubular man.

.99

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