Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[Rosemary Ainslie]

That link only took me to the homepage. I don't take sides, but it's a fact there are truckloads of fake claims over the years that only serve the purpose to distract people. So indeed, people should look for signs of sincerity in the claims before spending time replicating!!!

Here's all I have so far. 1) I can't find any verifiable info on anyone that's claiming success. 2) It appears you shot down the only legit way I see to test your claim-- measuring total heat production. Years working in antenna design & theory I would agree there would be no appreciable EM radiation emission from such wire wound resistive inductors given your circuit.

So if most of it's not IR, and not EM radiation, then how is one to collect this unknown energy? Something's missing here.

Regards,
Paul

Paul - I caught this on the way out.  I've asked Poynt to deal with this.  otherwise I'll try and put something together tomorrow or later tonight.  Your point are valid.  But I can't deal with it right now.

[poynt99]

Would you agree that's a valid test?

I would agree this is a valid test Paul. It would also be valid to monitor the resistor (or all hot components) with a small thermistor in both cases rather than use an oil bath. This is the approach I will be taking unless it is arguably not an acceptable approach.

I would also agree that the amount of RF energy emitted will be minimal in comparison to the amount of thermal energy. RF energy was not accounted for nor even mentioned (AFAIK) in the two published reports on the experiment.

.99

[Hoppy]

That link only took me to the homepage. I don't take sides, but it's a fact there are truckloads of fake claims over the years that only serve the purpose to distract people. So indeed, people should look for signs of sincerity in the claims before spending time replicating!!!

Here's all I have so far. 1) I can't find any verifiable info on anyone that's claiming success. 2) It appears you shot down the only legit way I see to test your claim-- measuring total heat production. Years working in antenna design & theory I would agree there would be no appreciable EM radiation emission from such wire wound resistive inductors given your circuit.

So if most of it's not IR, and not EM radiation, then how is one to collect this unknown energy? Something's missing here.

Regards,
Paul

Paul

The experiment has up to now been progressing at macro level using ridiculously low levels of power that hardly 'tickle' the resistor above ambient. Aaron and Harvey are working towards COP17 - I think??

Nobody to my knowledge has replicated the original claim using the original Ainslie circuit, or any variant of it. I've built both the original Ainslie circuit and Aeron's replication and can see nothing special about either circuit.

Some excellent investigation work has been done by Poynt99, TK, MileHigh, Harvey and a few others.

I don't post much on this thread now but do follow 'progress'.

Hoppy

[PaulLowrance]

I hear people are having trouble replicating the effect. Then it seems good idea for Rosemary to replicate it, or maybe she's already done that.

It seems poynt99 is on a good test, using thermistors sounds good enough. People can buy 402 SMD thermistors for ~ $0.15 each at places such as digikey.com-- I have part #'s if people need. Then a simple current source (guaranteed fixed current) circuit will work great for the thermistors. There are other ways to use thermistors.

Regards,
Paul

[MileHigh]

Well at least we are seeing some action.

Rosemary:

Don't forget the coil-resistor discharge creates a clockwise current flow.  Any counterclockwise current flow is minuscule.  We don't have to debate Aaron's statement, my question was more rhetorical than real.  I view his statement as an awkward juxtaposition of words that one would normally associate with the types of conversational English mistakes that everybody makes.  Aaron is not too much of a details person, he is more of a "driver" personality type so his written prose is very much conversational in flow, mistakes and all.

Aaron's latest clip is based on a misunderstanding, no surprise there.  The "logic" behind removing the caps from the 555 circuit is positively Bizarro.  This quote sums up the feeling, "Calibrated 5% carbon resistors, point two-five ohms."

I remember looking through the manual for the DSO and there is a display mode that makes fat traces that show the total noise envelope for a repetitive signal.  I am assuming that Aaron has been using that scope trace display setting the whole time and it is starting to drive me crazy.  I wish he would just display the normal unprocessed signals.

Sorry to pick on Aaron, but it is hard to believe that he has been working with electronics and scopes for 10 years.  Behind all of the bravado he is really struggling and the chances of him producing good sound data are a longshot.

Paul:

Yes an oil bath will work but as Poynt and others have said, just measuring the temperature of the coil-resistor (a.k.a "the resistor" or the "inductive resistor") will give you the same data with much less hassle.  You should hang the coil-resistor vertically in midair by a string to get the fastest and most repeatable results.  Allowing the air to flow upwards through the hollow resistor body gives you a "smokestack" effect that effectively lowers the coil-resistor's  thermal resistance to the outside world.  Lowering your thermal resistance will shorten your thermal RC time constant, and thus the temperature of the coil-resistor will stabilize sooner.

Hoppy:  Great to see you around.  Sit back and watch the blinking lights.

MileHigh