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Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

Started by TinselKoala, June 16, 2009, 09:52:52 PM

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Hoppy

@ Vortex & Ken the Great

This thread died out along thime back with the very same arguments that you are now both raising and Willy came on before at various times for a bit of sport and stayed on until he had had his fill. Its all a waste of time on the keyboard trying to convince the 'A' team that the device is not OU, or anywhere close.

Having said this, I respect Rosemary's drive to have her teams work examined by professionals and wish her the best of luck in this endeavour, as she has put a lot of faith in her teams ability to interpret the data collected from the various tests.

Hoppy

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: Hoppy on January 15, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
@ Vortex & Ken the Great

This thread died out along thime back with the very same arguments that you are now both raising and Willy came on before at various times for a bit of sport and stayed on until he had had his fill. Its all a waste of time on the keyboard trying to convince the 'A' team that the device is not OU, or anywhere close.

Having said this, I respect Rosemary's drive to have her teams work examined by professionals and wish her the best of luck in this endeavour, as she has put a lot of faith in her teams ability to interpret the data collected from the various tests.

Hoppy
come on now hoppy at least try and disguise your bias a little... for those with bad memories (or a bias...) a reminder from page one of this very thread. you know, the beginning, the part you johnny come lately's never read... and you should know from experience that trolls never get their 'fill'.

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 17, 2009, 03:33:40 AM
any plan on doing it right? meaning getting proper components for the ones that you have that are not spec.
do you plan to use a calorimeter if/when you make the circuit to spec?

i am assuming you have a diode on the genny output? could you confirm?

a test the late great tinselkoala/alsetalokin/kate allison never did... do you remember why not hoppy? i do.


edit: hi rose!
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe

jibbguy

Complaint: "It can't be Looped".

> The circuit in present configuration cannot run a motor, to then run an alternator / generator. It was never designed to. What it WAS designed to do, is show anomalous heat and battery re-charge energy output that challenges "classical" convention. It does this, and the collected data backs this claim. If the "entertainment value" is then considered "low", understand it was never a major criteria ;)

> The energy losses to run a steam or Sterling engine to in turn run a generator would be horrific, require a huge amount of engineering and building (that some detractors would have little idea of how to actually do themselves if pressed), and in the end prove... what? That there is a lot of heat?

Then the question would still be:

"How much electricity was required to generate the heat?"

So we would be right back to the beginning. Legitimate questions on the validity of this circuit would logically be directly related to the electrical energy needed to generate the heat, and the efficiency therein. And this is exactly the point of the present experiments: How much electricity for heat. What the experimenters are doing here is presenting carefully collected data, using proper means and protocols widely accepted by commercial electronics and academia.

... Which has then in turn has been interpreted to be worthy of note and much greater study.

Please note that if the heat energy seen here could be DIRECTLY and easily translated in large amounts into some other measurable form without significant losses in efficiency; that in itself would be worthy of MANY more Scientific Papers, and would probably turn out to be of much greater importance than this discovery ;)

The folks here who seriously study these topics already understand this.

Simply quoting from a "skeptics handbook" without bothering to gain an understanding of the technology in question first, is hardly worthy of serious consideration. Yet the "Looping" issue should perhaps be addressed anyway for those who "expect" such things from what they have read about other technologies.

People are free to reject what is proposed here all they like, however the burden of proof to publicly deny it is on them to show actual Cause; simply parroting something they once heard which has no plausible bearing on the presently considered technology, and insisting on willfull ignorance regarding the published data, is not "Cause" in anyone's "Book". Nor is simply denying it, because "they don't like it".

It is important to note, that none of us here "owe" such people anything at all. No one is being paid here, nothing is being offered for sale.

On the other hand, serious potential Replicators, and those trying to honestly understand what is actually going on with this circuit deserve our attention and help, and when the questions are phrased reasonably politely, will receive replies and answers as best we can... We do not pretend to understand everything going on here either; this is why it needs much more study by our scientific mainstream who have the funds and abilities to see it realized. What we DO understand is that the data clearly shows anomalous energy efficiencies that requires serious attention.

... So eventually it can possibly "loop": Perhaps someday as a Boiler, an all-new design of "Heat Engine", an highly efficient RF Generator for Dr. John Kanzius effect disassociation of salt water at "13.56 Mhz", a pulse driver for "capacitive"-type Hydroxy Generators, or even as a pulse magnet motor drive circuit. There are many possibilities for future applications besides "heating"; which all need to be thought out, designed, tried, tested, and studied. During these studies, it is quite possible OTHER important discoveries will be made... That is how Science often works; this "serendipitous effect" for unexpected discovery has been seen over and over... and such discoveries often eclipse anything that preceded them. 

And frankly, the Physicists can climb into a "Cage Ring" and have a "Tag-Team Battle-Royal To The Death" over the "Theory" behind it all later.. We are interested in verifying the empirical data here. Lol, now THAT would be "entertaining" to see ;)

It is not our "fault" that we do not have the means to do all these studies, invent cool  devices, and simply hand them out. This is not how the world works. We cannot create a "Time Traveling DeLorean" from stuff lying around the garage, for around $120 in cost, and take you on an adventure to the future. That is the "Movies", not real life. What the Ainslie Circuit team CAN do, and HAVE done, and will CONTINUE to do, is provide solid data for others to consider and take further. Yet there are some who have argued hard here that we should have just "stayed home" and done nothing at all about it then. Taking risks is what real scientific discovery is all about: And those who "stay home", never succeed. 

We don't know if these other applications mentioned above are possible using the basic concepts behind the Ainslie Circuit yet... But isn't that the point of these forums? And isn't it important enough, even if the possibilities for these applications are still in question, to see this effect studied properly?... Even if it turns out in the end, that it can "only" save money on our heating bills.

fuzzytomcat

Quote from: Vortex1 on January 15, 2010, 03:51:53 AM
Speaking of putting things in boxes, here's one test the Ainslie group or Sean will never do. They prefer to hide behind obfuscation.

Total power measurement and proof of overunity for the ORBO, Ainslie or any device that requires some electrical input is really rather simple, no complex instrumentation or number crunching of noisy "data". This is especially valid when you are claiming COP's in excess of 17.

Obtain a styrofoam cooler and a cheap Radio Shack or equivalent indoor/outdoor thermometer.

Place the device to be tested into the styrofoam box and attach the "outdoor" probe to the inside of the lid.

Note the ambient temperature and the container temperature.

Start the device to be tested and let it run, logging temperature at several intervals. Also record power input to the device.

When the temperature inside the container has stabilized at some higher value record this and the external ambient temperature.

Now replace the device previously tested with a resistor and supply just enough power to the resistor until the same temperature rise above ambient is obtained.

Note the power required to obtain the same temperature rise above ambient. Compare the two power inputs.

Since all of the heating power to the devices (in the first test with the device and second test with the resistor) is captured and measured at the top inside of the container (less that lost through the thermal resistance of the styrofoam box, which is a constant in each test), we thus have a rather reasonable assesment of any overunity developed.

All of the heating power includes: ohmic, frictional (bearings and air friction), switching device losses etc. It does not include electromagnetic radiation losses, but the container can be modified to include this if necessary with a Faraday shield. EM losses however should be very small. If necessary, a small frictional load can be attached to the rotor, it's heat will also be collected inside the container.

For those claiming it is too difficult to measure input power to the device because of complex waveforms involved, use a wall power supply and plug it into a Kil-O-Watt meter ($30). Note the unloaded power drain (power disconnected from the DUT). Then note power with the DUT connected. The Kil-O-Watt meter also includes power factor corrected readings, VA, and true Watts. The wall power supply can also easily be characterized for its contribution to the loss chain.

Kind regards...V

Hi Vortex1,

Is there something about the heat profiling that has already been done your objecting to .....

http://www.energeticforum.com/71387-post2974.html

You might also check the "LIVE" 5 Hour non stop broadcast that was taped on January 9, 2010 showing a voltage increase for the first hour and a total of .10 ( 1/10 ) of a volt loss in 5 Hours with the 5 to 6 watt continuous load for the entire duration on two very small 12 aH liquid lead acid batteries.

http://bit.ly/4XVsAj ( link - time base search-able )

Regards,
Fuzzy
;)

Pirate88179

Ken is way off base here.  He needs to read a lot, and then do his own experiments AND publish his results.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen