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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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Zeitmaschine

Quote from: verpies on December 02, 2012, 09:58:59 AM
But electrons are not energy. Electric charge is not energy.
Then a charged capacitor is not a vessel that has energy stored in it? ???

Quote from: verpies on December 02, 2012, 09:58:59 AM
That's just a result of meticulous experimenting.  That ratio of experiment to conjecture in that thread is much higher than in this one.
My experiments got stuck because of the problem to switch off a sine wave right at its peak. Hence

a) what electronic part should be used and
b) what to use as reference pulse to trigger this electronic part?

When the electronic part would be a thyristor then this thyristor goes into conductive state when it is triggered somewhere at the beginning or in the middle of the wave and it goes off on zero-crossing. This is how a dimmer works. Unfortunately it works the wrong way round.

When the electronic part would be a transistor then this transistor does not remain latched in the on-state and that makes the triggering not exactly simpler. Moreover I can't see something that looks like a transistor in the Stepanov device, these are either diodes or thyristors. But a diode can't switch off a voltage unless the polarity of the voltage changes anyway.

Whether transistor or thyristor, a pulse is needed which can trigger the electronic switch with the right timing so the half wave's second half is cut away. What could this be? Since Kapanadze (and also Stepanov) apparently enjoys working with three-phase current, then what about the other two phases? The one phase's cut-off is triggered by one or even both of the remaining two phases, because the other two combined phases are in a 90 degrees phase shift in relation to the first one (see illustration below), so they could be used to cut the first phase. This works for all three phases in a circle like manner. :)

Quote from: a.king21 on August 12, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
Kapanadze has no difficulty getting 3 phase.
Hence some new theory: When the thyristors of a three-phase lighting regulator (dimmer) are wired in a wrong way then could it perhaps happen that instead of regulating the lights (down) it will produce an OU effect? And could it further be that TK discovered this effect accidentally this way?

If so, then this would mean that a single-phase device is more difficult to build than a three-phase device, because a single-phase device must create a (90 degree) phase shift artificially in order to get the right timing for the electronic switch (or switches). And maybe this is also the reason for the tendency of Kapanadze and Stepanov to play around with three-phase current willingly. Thus could it be - to add one more conjecture - that the transformer in the 2004 video is the part that creates the phase shift so a second coil/choke/transformer hidden in the round box can generate the back voltage due to the phase-shifted cut-off?

Now someone tell me that this is all nonsense one more time. ::)

verpies

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
Then a charged capacitor is not a vessel that has energy stored in it? ???
Charged capacitor represents energy because of the additional factor - voltage.
Without the voltage, charge alone would not amount to any energy any more than a bottle full of water would.

Conversely, a pressurized water bottle  - does amount to energy.
Here the pressure is analogous to voltage and the volume of water is analogous to charge...

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
My experiments got stuck because of the problem to switch off a sine wave right at its peak. Hence
a) what electronic part should be used and
b) what to use as reference pulse to trigger this electronic part?
a) An N-channel Power MOSFET is the easiest to use Semiconductor Opening Switch (SOS)
b) To detect the peak of the voltage waveform (e.g. a sinewave) a voltage comparator can be used (e.g. the venerable LM339).
Alternatively the same signal that generated the waveform can be used as the trigger if you have access to it. A related signal can be used, too.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
When the electronic part would be a thyristor then this thyristor goes into conductive state when it is triggered somewhere at the beginning or in the middle of the wave and it goes off on zero-crossing. This is how a dimmer works. Unfortunately it works the wrong way round.
Yes, a thyristor (or a triac) is a Semiconductor Closing Switch (SCS) and you need an opening switch (SOS)
Anyway, thyristors have large voltage drops (2V) between their anode and cathode when in the ON state.
MOSFETs have only millivolts of voltage drop between their source and drain, hence they waste less power.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
When the electronic part would be a transistor then this transistor does not remain latched in the on-state and that makes the triggering not exactly simpler.
Simplicity depends on the perception of the engineer.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
Moreover I can't see something that looks like a transistor in the Stepanov device, these are either diodes or thyristors.
Appearances can be deceiving. For example the russian KT926A transistor looks like a thyristor.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
But a diode can't switch off a voltage unless the polarity of the voltage changes anyway.
Not exactly. Some diodes conduct for a while after the polarity of the voltage across them reverses.
If this reverse conduction time is equal to the 1/4 of the sinewave's period then the diode will switch off when the sinewave is at its peak.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
Whether transistor or thyristor,
Thyristor is not a SOS so out of that list, only the transistor remains as an opening switch that can be used to "cut away" (a MOSFET or IGBT preferably).

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
,a pulse is needed which can trigger the electronic switch with the right timing so the half wave's second half is cut away. What could this be?
For example an inverting comparator with large hysteresis.  Such comparator will trigger at the peak and remain triggered until the sinewave falls back to zero (or reverses polarity).

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
Since Kapanadze (and also Stepanov) apparently enjoys working with three-phase current, then what about the other two phases?
Yes, if you have access to other phases then they can be used as the trigger signal, too.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
The one phase's cut-off is triggered by one or even both of the remaining two phases, because the other two combined phases are in a 90 degrees phase shift in relation to the first one (see illustration below), so they could be used to cut the first phase. This works for all three phases in a circle like manner. :)
Yes, that would almost work, except that you'd need an inverted 90deg. phase shift (effectively a 270deg. shift) to switch OFF at the peak of a sinewave.

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2012, 09:40:25 PM
If so, then this would mean that a single-phase device is more difficult to build than a three-phase device, because a single-phase device must create a (90 degree) phase shift artificially in order to get the right timing for the electronic switch (or switches).
Yes, if you consider three transistors and inverters easier than one transistor and an inverting comparator with hysteresis.

P.S.
By "inverter" I mean this.

Сергей В.

@Zeitmaschine when you last time holded soldering iron in your hand??  ;D What is a problem to you to make a Peak-Detector and to turn on some switches on peaks of waveforms !!

Hi, Hi, Hi, Hi Just kidding !!  :D Don't be angry !! :D

Here is complete schematic of precise peak detector. In my opinion Stepanov have used thyristors in his OU-Genarator. Interesting thing he also have disappeared like many OU inventors, after publishing his videos world wide !! I hope he is still alive.

ps.Where did you grabbed these Stepanov photos ? From his house ?  :D Hi, Hi Just kidding !!  :D Don't be angry !! :D

Сергей В.

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