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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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yfree

Quote from: pix on December 15, 2012, 09:29:34 PM
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"The "transformer" itself, may have various shapes, but the main point is that it has to provide conditions for stimulated "chain reactions".
@yfree,
Speaking about "chain reactions"- a spark gap, simple electric discharge, is a "chain reaction" event.Electrons runaway avalanche occurs. You may start it with a single (!) electron, and end up with a current pulse in kA range. Those EXTRA electrons aren't coming from the circuit power supply.To prove that, use small HV capacitor, charge it up and discharge in the air gap- then calculate energy balance.It is definately more OUT than IN.They are drawn from enviroment.Check out "Townsend discharge", papers from Loeb and Meck. A spark discharge is an "current multiplier".
Regards,
Pix
We have to be more careful with this "more OUT than IN". Charge is not energy. A discharge creates an avalanche of electrons at the expense of energy supplied from the source. Those extra electrons are stripped from the atoms between the electrodes. No new energy is released. In fact, the energy is lost, to radiation, heat and even sound. To amplify the current, we would just use a regular, off-the-shelf transformer.

verpies

Yes, charge is not energy.
Neither is voltage or current.

Once, I had a spark discharge occurring inside an air-core solenoid.  The spark current indeed acted as a primary current in this air-cored transformer. 
The spark did induce emf and current in the solenoid's winding, but I don't remember how much.

pix

Quote:"We have to be more careful with this "more OUT than IN". Charge is not energy. A discharge creates an avalanche of electrons at the expense of energy supplied from the source. Those extra electrons are stripped from the atoms between the electrodes. No new energy is released. In fact, the energy is lost, to radiation, heat and even sound. To amplify the current, we would just use a regular, off-the-shelf transformer."
Hi, what we start with is: a high voltage differential from the small capacitor. To start avalanche of electrons we just need a one electron liberated from cathode.What is an relativistic electron speed in a free space?In the air speedm of relativistic electron is less than in the vacuum, but still -large. Electric field between cathode and anode ( provided by a small capacitor) just gives a preferred direction for electron to travel and even accelerate.When that free, relativistic electron is rushing toward anode, because of collisions with air atoms it liberates more electrons and so on, it is expotential growth.Some other factors also plays a role during that event.So- just before all those electrons hits anode the current is in kA range. What is a current- it's electrons flow.From where all that electrons came? From capacitor? Part of them- yes, the rest of electrons came from the collisions events in the gas.So they enter our circuit as the extra ones, they are liberated by collisions.Remember, that a free electron not bound to metallic lattice of conductor is ballistic, and even if there would be no external electric field from capacitor- that free electron could liberate another one during collision with gas atom, but that process will be eandom, hapenning in all directions and quickly would die.But, the same process happening in the electric field of certain direction will go on and grow in that directon:-). Then you have more energy OUT than In.What you could do with all those extra electrons just before they hit anode and also AFTER they hit anode ? :-) Remenber- this is a kA range pulse of current.
Just observe a nature, a lightning strike is a very powerfull current flow, and it also begun from a single electron, liberated in the athosphere by a cosmic ray hit.
Regards,
Pix

yfree

Quote from: pix on December 16, 2012, 08:01:03 AM
Hi, what we start with is: a high voltage differential from the small capacitor. To start avalanche of electrons we just need a one electron liberated from cathode.What is an relativistic electron speed in a free space?In the air speedm of relativistic electron is less than in the vacuum, but still -large.
The speed of electrons in a discharge in gas is not high enough to invoke reaction that release additional energy. If you know the cases where this is otherwise, please report them.  Electrons accelerated in vacuum can attain speeds that make them capable of invoking "chain reactions".


Quote from: pix on December 16, 2012, 08:01:03 AM
Electric field between cathode and anode ( provided by a small capacitor) just gives a preferred direction for electron to travel and even accelerate.When that free, relativistic electron is rushing toward anode, because of collisions with air atoms it liberates more electrons and so on, it is expotential growth.Some other factors also plays a role during that event.So- just before all those electrons hits anode the current is in kA range. What is a current- it's electrons flow.From where all that electrons came? From capacitor? Part of them- yes, the rest of electrons came from the collisions events in the gas.So they enter our circuit as the extra ones, they are liberated by collisions.Remember, that a free electron not bound to metallic lattice of conductor is ballistic, and even if there would be no external electric field from capacitor- that free electron could liberate another one during collision with gas atom, but that process will be eandom, hapenning in all directions and quickly would die.But, the same process happening in the electric field of certain direction will go on and grow in that directon:-). Then you have more energy OUT than In.What you could do with all those extra electrons just before they hit anode and also AFTER they hit anode ? :-) Remenber- this is a kA range pulse of current.
In a discharge, as above, all the energy that the avalanche of electrons attains, comes from the capacitor. This includes the energy for liberation and acceleration of additional electrons.


Quote from: pix on December 16, 2012, 08:01:03 AM
Just observe a nature, a lightning strike is a very powerfull current flow, and it also begun from a single electron, liberated in the athosphere by a cosmic ray hit.
This single electron is just a trigger for the discharge of energy (mostly from the Sun)  accumulated in the atmosphere: charge and potential difference.

forest

Electrons avalanche is a misleading path. Free energy is in resonance, if you don't forget we are not living in vacuum.

Tesla words about electron avalanche effect :
"This device is now known in the art as the "quenched spark gap." Professor Wein has formulated a beautiful theory about it, which I understand has netted him the Nobel prize.  Wein's theories are admirable.  The only trouble is that he has overlooked one very important fact.  It is this: If the apparatus is properly designed and operated, there is no use for the quenched gap, for the oscillations are continuous anyway.  The radio men who came after me had the problem before them of making a bell sound, and they immersed it in mercury.  Now, you know mercury is heavy.  When they struck their bell, the mercury did not permit it to vibrate long because it took away all the energy.  I put my bell in a vacuum and make it vibrate for hours.  I have designed circuits in connection with an enterprise in 1898 for transmission of energy which, once started, would vibrate three years, and even after that the oscillations could still be detected.  Professor Wein's theory is very beautiful, but it really has no practical meaning.  It will become useless as soon as the inefficient apparatus of the day, with antennae that radiate energy rapidly, [are] replaced by a scientifically designed oscillator which does not give out energy except when it gets up to a tremendous electromagnetic momentum."