Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

[verpies]

@verpies, for me the most suspicious time is when the man in suit puts clamp meter around cable in bearded mans hand,the man does not budge from spot but quickly puts right hand over his left wrist and holds it there. Why?

I don't know. 
That's psychology.  I'm not good at it, at all.

[Farmhand]

@verpies

No I am not laughing. I am just stunned, mad, disappointed, but not disillusioned and in one way happy today that it is all out and now I can just go back to my own works knowing that TK is just a showman and that since day one on this thread, while we were searching for the real OU effect, TK was just pretending. So we all have to do better then TK.

I don't think replicating how he faked it is a constructive use of time. This basically confirms the fact that anyone showing a device that they keep secret is simply a fraud. Can't be more simpler then that.

@Happy

Today the 21st of December, 2012 is supposed to be the end of the world or the start of a new beginning. It is just fitting that TK be revealed today as a fraud. Sorry guys but that is the reality and again it is only up to us to do better. Not better fakes, but real OU devices.

I already know which way to start so I can now get back to my bench. I will start a new thread that has nothing to do with the TK or SM devices. It will be a thread for true R&D, one step at a time to build up to an eventual OU device. I just know now where we are going wrong and what is required to attract more ether energy then the energy expended to attract it. I had mentioned about the real nature of coils in the Energy Amplification thread. I put that all aside since the TK thread was moving along but always in dead ends, I realized that the TK device was a fake so I had to find out how because nothing in the function of the TK devices were consistent with what I knew about coils and there was nothing in what TK was saying that could convince me that he knew. He was just bluffing, enjoying the attention and just riding the wave of popularity and the new requests this produced for more money-making demos.

Since achieving OU is equivalent to producing a new method of energy accumulation, it is only logical to consider that this will require that OUers change their present perspective on what energy, ether, electricity, coil function, coupling and overunity really is. Technically, there is no such a thing as overunity. You take energy from a waterfall with a turbine or energy from the sun with solar collectors or energy from the ether with an "ether trap" once we know how it works.

@Zeitmaschine

Yes that is exactly what I had thought was used for so long and then dismissed anything from being curious but there in lies the precise illusion. If you look at my second to last image on previous page there is the greatest clue. If the washer and crimp was one piece, then the wire should be perpendicular to the center of the washer. But it is not. Look carefully and you will see the washer is above the wire that is going down the hole. These guys have played us royally since day one.

When @stivep went there or when the @a.king21 guy went there, you can hear in the Aq2 video and @stiveps video, both guys are way to nice, way to understanding and not pushy enough to do such an on-the-spot examination in the limited time frame they gave them. But still if some more effort was done on demanding certain things, we would have quickly realized they are playing a game.

Anyways, if you knew how sorry I am to be the harbinger of such bad news, but I am always open to both what the good or the bad will bring as long as it has a truth label tagged to it. But I really did not expect this to be as it is. We have all postulated so many operational theories that showed the best level of intellectual exercises you can get. The problem is we have 100 times more OU in our minds then any of the TK gang. So what this all proves is in the grand scheme of things, we are the OU finders and will make the difference for this world of ours and not those secret holding shmucks.

So now we have to grow up and become independent minded OUers. It only means now we have to leave our mothers or any secret holders petticoat and become mature OUers that only require their own intellect and bench works to advance towards OU.

I think I now know how to get OU or at least why we have not gotten it yet and I will open a new thread soon to start working really towards that, and, I can tell you guys right now, I will never look at another secret holders device again. When such assholes pop up on the forums, we should just tell them to go to hell. They either disclose or they depart. Soon these guys will realize the only way they will get our FREE attention, assistance, expertise, critique, help, etc., is to disclose their device open source. Otherwise let them peddle their crap elsewhere because a secret holder can only tell lies and do tricks.

wattsup

PS: Back to the bench for me.

Hi wattsup, Your a shining light in the free energy movement, my hats off to you. Your critical thinking, keen eye and logical analysis is impressive. You picked the tell tale signs
of the way it was done. But from an initial point of taking him for his word, this takes integrity and humility to turn around like that. I haven't checked out all the evidence but
I think i can trust you, what I did look at is convincing enough for me since I never believed him. To me he always looked like he was a liar but using bluff and bluster, I knew there was something suspect about all the video's, which to me meant that to show for sure one was fake means all were faked. Why fake if he can actually do it ? Lot's of things don't make sense with the whole debacle. I agree there should be a civil suit made against him for fraud. He was probably stealing power as well, which would explain the destroying of the devices.  I think there were several "tells" in the garden video that showed the camera man was not "on board" as pointed out by Hoppy.

In the factory video with the Motor setup I could see the investors or the demo payers get pretty agitated at one point.

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.

I think in all cases it is just a matter of trickery to measure the output but not the input because it is hidden.

It's drawing a long bow but I think all the people perpetuating this apparent fraud (promoting it) are the real problem. If everyone just paid very little attention unless proper proof is provided these false guru's would have NO reason to continue. Supply and demand, if there is a demand for apparent OU with no real proof then there will always be somebody to supply it.

Everybody has the same potential. Tariel has proved beyond doubt he has nothing to share. Obviously he doesn't care if anyone other than the people paying him believe him
or even if the people paying him believe him as long as he gets his money.

Tariel is not the only fraudster with a big following, there are many. It's time to reject them unless they have something of substance to show. If they have OU they should show it properly and how do it, or expect not to be believed. What other option do they then have ? They get no promotion from us and they cannot get a patent for a fake so they're
put where they belong. 21/Dec/2012 could be the beginning of a new free energy movement which totally rejects false claims, assumed claims on poor measurements ect.
We need to raise our standards with regard to the response to claims, the difficult questions need to be asked and the answers required. Otherwise why participate in open source work. People who claim to know how to extract extra energy, like TITO should be asked some good questions and if answers are not given he ought to be ignored as a game player.

Good work Wattsup. I'd be happy to contribute to any thread or project you work on if I think I can help.

Cheers

[forest]

an so the next page of this thread used for useless discussion....

[Zeitmaschine]

Its not a case of proving anything. Its simply a case of each individual reaching his/her own conclusion.

But it sounds rather like »case closed, forget it«.

It is true that the evidence uncovered by Wattsup would not hold up in a criminal court (beyond reasonable doubt) ...but it would hold up in a civil court, which has lower standard of proof (preponderance of proof or balance of possibilities).

I don't think so because ...

I think that the strongest piece of evidence, that Wattsup has uncovered so far, is the synchronization of the light (load) with the movement of the bearded man's hand holding the cable.  The probability of these two events being coincident by chance, is very low.

... the so called evidence is not consistent. If the bearded man has a wire running through his sleeve that makes contact between a hidden wire on the ground and his shoe, then why should he also need a remote control in one of his hands? This does not make sense and it shows that this is all pure speculation.

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.

I can see nothing than a single braid on any of the AQII images. It seems to me to be impossible to hide an additional »hot« wire within this braid without anyone noticing it on site. But the question »fake or not fake« stands or falls with the presence of a hidden wire.

Hence I think in a courtroom the testimonies of witnesses present at the event would be considered more credible than testimonies of witnesses which are just based on a few blurry images and videos. But none of the »live« witnesses came up with an accusation against TK so far.

BTW: If TK would have the capability of transferring 100KW of electric power without any visible wires than this would be a fantastic invention by itself. So why does he not make money with it?

[Hoppy]

The A King video was a big blunder for him, the ground bolt in the concrete was just senseless, I picked that immediately in a general way but the exact method didn't bother me because you don't ground an electrical system to a concrete slab. It just made no sense, AT ALL. Unless it was an input.

Cheers

It would indeed appear that A.King and his team were totally taken in by TK and his team. To me, this is the most surprising aspect of the Aqua2 video and my thought having studied the video in depth was whether the investigating team were in on the act!

Its all too easy to get sucked-in by OU claims made on video and in the absence of proper documentation giving full build and measurement data, we really need to simply dismiss these claims out of hand as has been suggested by Wottsup, so as not to waste time and money on replication attempts.

IMO TK is now left with a pile of junk and a shot reputation and hopefully he will not re-surface with another colourful magic box.