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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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angryScientist

Quote from: Grumage on March 09, 2013, 02:19:09 PM
Sergey Zatsarinin transformer.
For the record.

Hello all, I have been continuing with experiments on the above as I feel it is part of the heart of the beast.
I have some bizzare results to share and for you to disect or digest as you see fit.
I am running a modified Royer oscillator (see below)  into a split 22mm Copper tube with 8 Ferrite torroids Permeability 7000.
Open circuit condition:-                 Vdc 12, I 1.04, F 65.3 Khz.
Shorted with single wire:-             Vdc 12.2, I 1.0, F 575.9 Khz.
Load 20W 12Vdc halogen bulb:-   Vdc 5.8, I 5.41, F 37.8 Khz. Low volts due to power supply being unable to provide.
The oscillator is a fixed frequency, but as you can see it changes frequency due to load condition. What I dont understand is why under a short circuit condition the current falls and the voltage rises.The other is why when a resistive load is applied the current goes through the roof.

Any answers?


It looks like the phase angle between the current and voltage are rotated enough with the loading of the second tuned circuit to cause the votage controled transistor to open when the primary inductor is at its most conductive state (ie. when the field is colapsing and current is being pushed).

Not knowing what the values are I would hazard to guess that the 575.9 Khz is resonant with the primary LC and the 65.3 Khz is resonant with the secondary LC. I'm probably wrong about that because I haven't thought it through completely. Shorting it like that has got to introduce a great amount of reluctance to the primary. I would think that it should slow it down quite a bit. Maybe it's resonating with something else. Perhaps it acting like a RC with only the feedlines and the capacitor acting while the inductor is not partisipating at all...? I don't know why the frequency goes up when shorted.

That's my guess anyway. I'm a slow thinker so I'll just offer this as a half of a thought.

gyulasun

In Grumage oscillator I think the ferrite toroids become saturated by the peak oscillating currents when the load is a single piece of wire, so this very very low impedance greatly modifies (reduces) the primary coil inductance too (the influence is due to the close mutual inductance coupling) and this lower inductance causes the frequency to go higher (I agree with Leo48).   It is okay that the Royer oscillator basically a saturable core oscillator by default but the very low impedance a short piece of wire represents can enhance the saturating process.

Why the current goes down a little in the shorted output case?  It is very likely that the new LC tank circuit what is created by the shorted output will have a bit higher resonant impedance versus the unshorted output case so the current could go down a little.

Why the DC supply voltage increases by 0.2V?  Well, perhaps its behaviour at 575 kHz (its inner impedance and regulating properties ) is much different than at 65 kHz, this can count already, the usage of several ceramic capacitors in parallel with the supply voltage entering the oscillator board may help remedy that (use 47nF, 220nF and maybe 470nF ceramic type capacitors all in parallel).

IF you have an L meter, you may check how the primary inductance changes (remove the coil from the rest of the circuit and remove the C capacitors from both sides of the coil assembly) by measuring the primary L first with the secondary coil open, then shorted with that piece of wire.  This new L value across the primary could shed some light already and this will be influenced in the working oscillator by the saturating cores due to mainly the peak currents. 

To answer the possible reason why the current goes up so much when the halogen lamp is the load:  with the L meter (if you have got one) you may check also how the primary inductance changes when the secondary is loaded passively with the lamp albeit the lamp's cold resistance is much lower than in the hot filament case.  The explanation on the possible phase angle variations in the oscillator angryscientist has written about can also be valid.  Also, do not be surprised when the working behaviour of this oscillator changes due to the usage of the parallel capacitors at the supply voltage entry points and this changed behaviour may be valid for the lamp load case too.

Gyula

jbignes5




Any attempt to separate the coils from the capacitance will give a false reading. The system can't be tested for the true cause because as soon as you change the system it changes all parameters. This is the problem with these types of observations. What I suggest is that the capacitance in the secondary changes and this changes the resonant response of the secondary when the capacitor is bypassed. When the capacitor is bypassed it changes the resonance that is established or tunes it to a higher resonance point. When the capacitor is unshorted the resonance is lower and hence the frequency drops. The current also adjusts to the resonance appropriately as well as the voltage on the primary.


Try recording all the parameters when shorted and unshorted as best you can and try to relate it to the resonance of the primary to the secondary. I'm sure it will make more sense in that way. The turns ratio is also a factor as well as gauges of the wires used in the transformer. Maybe having a picture of the device will help us to better understand the setup you are testing.

sparks

  Tesla was definitely into high voltage as are the folks that build particle accelerators.  The efield appears capable of accelerating charged particles.  If air is ionized by hv hf a goodly amount of free electrons are accelerated by the efield.  The air neuclides are also accelerated.  One of the main elements in air is nitrogen14.  Just thinking what happens to an ionized nitrogen atom when it is bombarded with lots of accelerated electrons.  Any chance of knocking a neutron loose and subsequent decay into electron/positron production and gamma.  Why do we need to mine uranium when most of the air we breath is heavy nitrogen.  Can't an isotope of an element be coerced into radioactive decay and we get to listen to the decay on devices that do useful work for us?
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jbignes5

Quote from: sparks on March 10, 2013, 11:39:54 AM
  Tesla was definitely into high voltage as are the folks that build particle accelerators.  The efield appears capable of accelerating charged particles.  If air is ionized by hv hf a goodly amount of free electrons are accelerated by the efield.  The air neuclides are also accelerated.  One of the main elements in air is nitrogen14.  Just thinking what happens to an ionized nitrogen atom when it is bombarded with lots of accelerated electrons.  Any chance of knocking a neutron loose and subsequent decay into electron/positron production and gamma.  Why do we need to mine uranium when most of the air we breath is heavy nitrogen.  Can't an isotope of an element be coerced into radioactive decay and we get to listen to the decay on devices that do useful work for us?


Uh huh... yup yup yup... The e-field is so responsible for all acceleration. Now lets think about the e-field in space and why our universe is speeding up..... Hmmmm.... They (the scientists of this day) say they don't have a clue why it should be speeding up... Well we know, we just don't want to give credit to the theory that space is one huge e-field. Gravity becomes the interaction of this e-field across 1000's of light years. Even closer is the gravity among our solar systems and even the gravity of our planet.


What does the e-field of our own planet look like and how does it relate to gravity and light propagation? Tesla knew of the e-field and how powerful it could become and how easy it can make connections to the local e-field of any object and transfer power with little loss.  Alot of his experiments show this including his transmission system. And resonance is the icing on the cake.


TK also realized this and used currentless impulses to cause movement of a huge amount of charges which when in motion create a heavy magnetic field which in turn induce a huge amount of movement of bound charges in matter or real current.

Somehow we became mesmerized by the magnetic field and rarely pay attention to the e-field which is the genesis of all movement. We have focused on the magnetic field and rejected the electric field for no other reason other then it was too simple. We must have a difference in potential to cause movement of the charges in any matter. Weather that is air or solid matter it all comes down to the potentials.

Like I have said before in my experiments with crystal batteries the resting potential of two different metals can and will cause a flow of charges that can be harvested and used via the metals ability to maintain a balance with the surrounding environment. All of this without the decomposition of the metals if the right mixture of crystalline material is used. This is not debatable because there is a great amount of verifiable experimentation of the crystalline batteries. Not much of the metals are consumed because the crystalline material protects the metals with a layer of oxide in between the crystalline layer and the metal. The amount of power available is based on the standing potential of the two materials and this creates an active diode with a battery like effect without the galvanic response if built with the proper crystalline material.