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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

Started by Pirate88179, June 27, 2009, 04:41:28 AM

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hartiberlin

Many thanks romerouk for the new infos.

Do you have any Ferrite rings below the coils ?

Do you have all 3 coils in series ?


Here is a proposal I just drew up to get more
output power from the center.
Just use more windings in the center and put them in series with the
6 turn output coil.

Here I drew up only 2 windings through the center to not make the picture too
complicated to look at it, but you can also try 5 to 10 Windings through the center.
Maybe this will give you still more power ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

romerouk

@hartiberlin

The circuit is very similar with the one shown by the user Dragon.I have improoved it a bit now using DC as source but I need to get more bulbs tommorow. All bulbs are gone now  :(  Originally I had 6x100w in parallel and I have destroyed them in the first few seconds then I connected another 5x100w in series.It worked for a longer time but still destroyed them too after few minutes.
I will post the new circuit and upload a new recording when I have better results.
No Ferrite rings used, just air core.
Thank you for your info Stefan.

Regards,
Romerouk

hartiberlin

User dragon just verified, that the center winding has a good
effect. He wrote:

"The light intensity is brighter with the wire or coil through the center. The ground doesn't seem to make any difference if it's connected to the end or through the center. It will work without the ground but the intensity of the light is lower and consumption goes up to around 10 watts."

So how will this help, when we wind more windings through the center and
add them in series with the output coil as I just proposed in the former posting ?
Will this get us more output power without needing more input power ?

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

gyulasun

Hi flathunter,

I apologize to chime in answering to your question addressed to Bill.
I would like to show you a link where a Joule thief bifilar coil is nicely shown how to make it: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/joulethief  both in pictures and in schematic.

If you watch the schematics, you can see the black dots are shown just like I indicated above in baroutologos drawing what I edited for adding the A, B and C letters and the dots for clarity. 
I do not think in the JT circuit the magnetic field cancel  (when it is built with bifilar coils because it also works nicely if the coils have different number of turns and wound in a not bifilar way).
The reason the bifilar coils cannot cancel fully the magnetic flux in a JT circuit (even though the currents flow in them in different directions) is that the two currents are not at all equal (the current going into the base electrode is much less (about transistor 1/hFE times less) than the current in the other coil going via the collector electrode so this lefts plenty of flux.

Here I qoute what member baroutologos wrote to Bill:

"Hello Pirate,

I guess this is the type of winding you are saying.
I think this manifests null inductucance if both parts have same current strength (same resistance, same inductunce)"

This is true I think when the two bifilar coils are connected in series opposing mode, not in series aiding mode, and BOTH currents would have the same amplitude and would enter at point A and (or C) and leave at point C (or A), would not enter in the middle common point B.
Here is a link where this is discussed:
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/series-inductors.html  and see Differentially Coupled Series Inductors at nearly the bottom of that page. 

rgds,  Gyula

PS this link http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm  has nothing to do with Naudin,  but Naudin included it in his footnotes as a hint that a bifilar coil has its advantage versus a non bifilar coil of the same number of turns. (see his link http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/ )
IF you study Nikola Tesla Coil for electromagnets patent, then he also described a bifilar coil in series aiding connection  BUT he excited this electromagnet with an AC current corresponding to the bifilar coil pair's self-resonant frequency (there is a distributed capacitance between the parallel wires in close proximity to each other, especially if the wires have a flat cross-section  ;) ) and this capacitance gives a resonance with the coils resultant inductance.  Tesla wrote that at such resonant drive there is no any resistance in the coils against current flow except the series wires DC resistance. No L/R time like in a conventional (electromagnet or any other) coil's case.  And we cannot compare this AC resonant operation mode to Naudin's reference of electromagnets run on DC, can we?

hartiberlin

Quote from: romerouk on June 09, 2010, 06:02:24 PM
@hartiberlin

The circuit is very similar with the one shown by the user Dragon.I have improoved it a bit now using DC as source but I need to get more bulbs tommorow. All bulbs are gone now  :(  Originally I had 6x100w in parallel and I have destroyed them in the first few seconds then I connected another 5x100w in A.Worked for a longer time but still destroyed them too after few minutes.
I will post the new circuit and upload a new recording when I have better results.

Okay, I see.

What frequencies are involved at the ouput coil ?
Do you have a scope so you could post a few scope shots ?

By DC you mean you use a high Voltage DC before the spark gap ?

How high is your high voltage DC ? A few KiloVolts ?

Does the first 22 turn coil really help ?
WHat is it for ?
Also to set the resonance right for the 84 turn and the 6 turn winding ?

Many thanks.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum