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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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ePrick

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
No, you certainly don't.

I do think that when you make absolute statements of fact, you must be prepared to back them or admit that it is speculation. To make statements of fact, "I built an overunity device" or "I know for certain how they work", and then fall back and refuse to substantiate the claim is very problematic to me. Smacks of what someone might do if they were being intentionally subversive. And by subversive, I don't strictly mean in the sense of blocking progress. Subversion can come in many forms with many intents.

Which does beg the question, though, why are you here and why do you keep coming back? Everyone has a motive. What's yours?


I have spoken of it many times, and emphasized that I consider heat pump gain to be a similar phenomenon...although obviously different for many reasons. For me it is a huge revelation in what can and does happen at a quantum level that can invalidate our understanding of energy conservation.

From the accel/decel perspective, I am struck by the fact that a photon is emitted when an electron strikes metal with enough energy. When did it absorb the photon? Where did it come from? If I draw free electrons in a vacuum onto a charged plate, they will accelerate into the plate and strike it with an energy consistent with the accel due to strength of the field. The net charge of the plate will change by the number of electrons, and the cost of that transaction is whatever the loss in energy of the plate amounted to. From the plate's perspective, that is no different than a wire supplying the same electrons from a ground source or anywhere else.

But there is one huge difference between the two: The wire supplying ground current will not allow the electrons to free flow in the same way that electrons in a vacuum do, and they will not be accelerated in the same manner, nor will they end up emitting photons. If the energy cost to the plate was the same in both cases, then it would seem that we have an energy imbalance.

If we can harmonically induce free electrons in metal (induced superconductivity?), then the acceleration that would occur in a vacuum seems more likely to occur in the metal. The resonance harmonics are simply a means to an end, an implementation detail.

Just a theory. I don't claim to have special knowledge.

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM

I do think that when you make absolute statements of fact, you must be prepared to back them or admit that it is speculation. To make statements of fact, "I built an overunity device" or "I know for certain how they work", and then fall back and refuse to substantiate the claim is very problematic to me.


Tell you what Bolo, you are smart enough to know what quote marks mean so I am going to let you show me where I wrote what you just quoted. It didn't happen slick.

Here, I'll use your words to describe your smear attempt;

"Smacks of what someone might do if they were being intentionally subversive. And by subversive, I don't strictly mean in the sense of blocking progress. Subversion can come in many forms with many intents."


Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
From the accel/decel perspective, I am struck by the fact that a photon is emitted when an electron strikes metal with enough energy. When did it absorb the photon? Where did it come from? If I draw free electrons in a vacuum onto a charged plate, they will accelerate into the plate and strike it with an energy consistent with the accel due to strength of the field. The net charge of the plate will change by the number of electrons, and the cost of that transaction is whatever the loss in energy of the plate amounted to. From the plate's perspective, that is no different than a wire supplying the same electrons from a ground source or anywhere else.

But there is one huge difference between the two: The wire supplying ground current will not allow the electrons to free flow in the same way that electrons in a vacuum do, and they will not be accelerated in the same manner, nor will they end up emitting photons. If the energy cost to the plate was the same in both cases, then it would seem that we have an energy imbalance.

If we can harmonically induce free electrons in metal (induced superconductivity?), then the acceleration that would occur in a vacuum seems more likely to occur in the metal. The resonance harmonics are simply a means to an end, an implementation detail.

Just a theory. I don't claim to have special knowledge.

You are puzzled by a photon because you don't understand that it is an electron. Due to an extra spin,it is converting it's energy into light and it can be converted back and forth with no wear or tear.

Shoot an electron stream down a glass tube that has an alternating field of neo magnets along the tube. You will see the electron stream turn into a laser and the wavelength will be the distance between the magnets. Have a solar cell waiting at the end and you convert them back into electrons. The permanent magnets just did work in a closed system. Would that be a violation of first law?

Personally I don't pay attention to the laws of physics, that is for corporate droids - no offense.

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
But there is one huge difference between the two: The wire supplying ground current will not allow the electrons to free flow in the same way that electrons in a vacuum do, and they will not be accelerated in the same manner, nor will they end up emitting photons. If the energy cost to the plate was the same in both cases, then it would seem that we have an energy imbalance.

The electron in the vacuum accelerated and now it's energy became potential energy. Upon impact it becomes kinetic.

The electron on the wire was converted into heat and magnetic fields here and now.

An photon is just an electron with an extra spin on it.

If I sat you down in your office chair and spun you round and round and then kicked you in the head while you spun, you would fly out of your chair rotating on two different axis. Would I change your name to photon or would you still be bolo but just a bit more "enlightened" about how I feel about misquotes?

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
If we can harmonically induce free electrons in metal (induced superconductivity?), then the acceleration that would occur in a vacuum seems more likely to occur in the metal. The resonance harmonics are simply a means to an end, an implementation detail.

Just a theory. I don't claim to have special knowledge.

Great idea, put the whole contraption in a vacuum - poof!

I always put things into the perspective of cause and effect. Science deals in effects because if people understood cause, they would have enough brains to be dangerous. Perhaps that is why the voltage component of electricity is still defined as a phenomena. If they had to account for the energy required to accelerate voltage to the speed of light, they would come up short on energy and the BS would walk. It is easy to get programmed idiots to ignore that little "phenomena".

Resonance is an effect of bouncing atoms in formation. Ten basketball players all bouncing their balls at the same time does not produce OU anymore than a resonant circuit. But that spark gap firing at the right time and colliding the atoms together at just the right time is a game changer.

Last week I did experiments with that and it mattered as common sense would dictate. When the spark gap was firing independently, it seemed to work against me. I was not using unipolar pulses and it makes sense that would work against me also.

Cold electricity and why that would be needed and how it is being used to accelerate make sense. It really boils down to the difference between accelerating an electron down a wire verses accelerating an electron up and down against the wire - get it?

You tend to ignore the questions you can't answer like why do you think SR split his coil in the center?  (Just like Tesla BTW)

I don't claim to have special knowledge either but I do have a small amount of common sense and I question everything. I also have the integrity to not attempt to smear a person with fake quotes.

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
Which does beg the question, though, why are you here and why do you keep coming back? Everyone has a motive. What's yours?

I'm here to help you become a better human being - enjoy.

Sincerely,

"Ed" ucational Prick

ePrick

@ AbbaRue - Thanks but I can do more on a breadboard in five minutes than I can on a simulator in an hour. I'm old school. I have looked at that site and it is a pretty cool thing he did.

@ StiveP - Noise... Exactly my point and predictable. Spark gap transmitters were not exactly narrow band devices. Might have something to do with the ever changing plasma of the spark.

Why don't you set up a cold electricity coil and touch your probe to the coil. Curious to see if your spectrum analyzer can handle that. :-)

LtBolo

Quote from: ePrick on April 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
Tell you what Bolo, you are smart enough to know what quote marks mean so I am going to let you show me where I wrote what you just quoted. It didn't happen slick.

I wasn't quoting you or anyone else. It was a rhetorical tool. I probably should have used single quotes. I apologize. As an electrical engineer, grammar was not my strong suit.

I stand by my statement however, regardless of whether you consider it an attempt at smearing you. You come, you pick fights, you make statements that can't be supported, you get banned. Rinse and repeat.


Quote from: ePrick on April 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
You are puzzled by a photon because you don't understand that it is an electron. Due to an extra spin,it is converting it's energy into light and it can be converted back and forth with no wear or tear.

Quite to the contrary. I am puzzled by the appearance of new particles...not the initial one.


Quote from: ePrick on April 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
You tend to ignore the questions you can't answer like why do you think SR split his coil in the center?  (Just like Tesla BTW)

Nope. I just thought it was an irrelevant statement that didn't need commentary. There are any of a hundred reasons why the coil could be center tapped...if it is in fact center tapped...that have nothing to do with the operation. Barring a schematic and a discussion from the designer it is pure speculation.

You say things that sound very smart, and then you turn around and ask about circuits that use logic gates as oscillators or some other such irrelevant details. Not sure what to make of that.


Quote from: ePrick on April 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
I don't claim to have special knowledge either but I do have a small amount of common sense and I question everything. I also have the integrity to not attempt to smear a person with fake quotes.

Yet you do claim that. Every time you state in absolute terms that you know exactly how something works you implicitly claim that. And again, I wasn't quoting you...nowhere in my statement did it attribute that to you...so drop the mock offense.


So here's the poop dude...I am completely done arguing with you or any of your 15 aliases. Good luck with the astable multivibrator tests. I'm sure they will reveal something about FE.

ePrick

Quote from: LtBolo on April 27, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
I wasn't quoting you or anyone else. It was a rhetorical tool. I probably should have used single quotes. I apologize. As an electrical engineer, grammar was not my strong suit.

I accept your fake apology and... I am sorry you pissed me off.

Not sincerely,

Ed

PS - I am nice to people that are nice me and I can back up more of what I say than you might understand.

You just don't understand that washing a current between a LC is not the same as elevating an electron into a higher orbit. Two different directions "dude". Your lack of understanding of displacement current and why that ground wire runs through the core is why you are lost.

crowclaw

Well Guy's... may I just make mention of a few points: This thread and it's content I find of great interest, I have not made any contributions personally, with respect to the subject matter. As an electronics engineer myself I readily recognise from the various postings exists a wealth of knowledge here from various members both new and old. Like many others I very much enjoy following the progress and the experimental work by all... However it would be a great shame to see this thread spoilt by differences of opinions etc...and trivial arguments that tend to mar the overall interest here. Among the casual experimenters exist some cleaver - knowledgeable people... so with the greatest of respects please refrain from attacking each other and remain  focused in combining your individual skills and knowledge for the better good!! Kind Regards