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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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T-1000

Quote from: DrZabrain on November 05, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
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Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
Higher resonant frequency is ferrite exciting frequency(382KHz.)
Lower frequency signal is stronger than higher frequency signal, hence 15/50 turns just do that because of impedance.
The HV discharge is not used in experiment  - we did not want to break core. But scalar wave is still there because copper plates are connected to capacitor and LC circuit is locked into ferrite resonant frequency (1.66MHz) and oscillation is induced by changing magnetic fields with mix of 15/50 coils signals.

verpies

Quote from: baroutologos on November 05, 2011, 01:07:25 PM
With my humble experience so far, its difficult to visualize two copper strips placed in/out ferrite walls and fed with white noise to have a fundamental resonant frequency as low as 1,5 Mhz. (no cap or anything added) Two cases IMHO.

a) Case one this is indeed a ferrite resonant frequency that corresponds to some kind of "echo" from the very material itself

b) It is a subharmonic resonant peak formed from a far higher resonant fundamental frequency caused by the RLC (copper plates, wires, and white noise generator)
....

The looped Braid (or copper plates) forms a one turn winding that creates H field that is perpendicular to the concentric B & H field lines in the toroidal core created by the primary LF and HF windings.
At the same time the adjacent flat surfaces of the Braid (or copper plates) form a capacitor that has a ferrite in place where a dielectric would be in a conventional capacitor.

Such distributed inductance and capacitance is more akin to a transmission line shorted at one end, than a lumped RLC resonator.

Furthermore, the ferrite's response to the transverse H field and perpendicular E field of the High Voltage discharge must be so unorthodox that's it's beyond conventional analysis.  Who knows what's going on there at the molecular scale ?!

A conventional transmission line shorted at one end has specific resonances by itself. See:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_14/6.html
1 MHz resonance would occur in a common conventional transmission line that was approximately 200 meters long.

An unconventional transmission line with a ferrite instead of the dielectric, should have a lower resonance frequency because of the increased permeability. Obviously the properties of the ferrite would be of paramount importance here. Hell!, even the insulation tape would affect the resonant frequency of such transmission line. 

The magnetic circuit H bias level would alter this transmission line resonant frequency too. This happens because the H biasing level alters the ferrite's permeability. The LF 50Hz winding might be there to quickly sweep this H bias back and forth over some sweet-spot. 

I looked through the available literature and could not find any models of a transmission line that had a ferrimagnetic substance between the conductors instead of the conventional dielectric.

I guess we are in a virgin territory here.  Thus, I would not be surprised if the Ferrite Resonance Frequency (FRF) was indeed below 2Mhz.

FRF should be empirically measured with:
- a short excitation pulse and ringing with an oscilloscope, or
- a sweeped signal generator and a spectrum analyzer or tracking filter with a voltmeter as in VNA, or
- a white noise generator and spectrum analyzer just like the inventors are proposing. 

As such the FRF would constitute the master frequency of the whole system from which all other frequencies are derived.  This would make the FRF the most important parameter of the device.

baroutologos

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Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).
Higher resonant frequency is ferrite exciting frequency(382KHz.)
Lower frequency signal is stronger than higher frequency signal, hence 15/50 turns just do that because of impedance.

Sounds logical to me (regarding signal strength or power carry)

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The HV discharge is not used in experiment  - we did not want to break core. But scalar wave is still there because copper plates are connected to capacitor and LC circuit is locked into ferrite resonant frequency (1.66MHz) and oscillation is induced by changing magnetic fields with mix of 15/50 coils signals.

So, the bright or copper plates are always used and not only in the beggining for discovering 50turn primary running freq. Or to put it in a better way, (as i understand) the copper strips or brights has two mode of operation in order to attain the OU effect.

a) By arrange it in such LC mode (addition of cap in shunt to two plates) so as by picking up oscillations will oscillate now freely at its arranged 1,66 Mhz (discovered by the white noise function and spectrum analyzer)  - Low power mode

b) Just connect both copper plates or have a single bright inside-out or each copper plate attached to a SG pole and apply a HV discharge over the SG (create whole spectrum of frequencies)  -high power mode
..

Sorry if i being tiresome. Thanks for the discusion anyway.

verpies

Quote from: T-1000 on November 05, 2011, 04:29:05 PM
Lower frequency is driving frequency (47Hz after slight tuning in our experiment).

Do you mean that the LF drives the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) ?
In other words do you mean: the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) are derived from the LF ?

The verbs "drive, is driving" imply a causal relationship.
For example: "NE555 oscillator is driving the CD4040 binary divider"
In this scenario the NE555 is the master that drives the slave (CD4040).
In other words: the NE555 can work without the CD4040, but not vice versa...

Are we experiencing a language barrier here?

T-1000

Quote from: verpies on November 05, 2011, 05:11:25 PM
Do you mean that the LF drives the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) ?
In other words do you mean: the other frequencies (HF, BRF, FRF) are derived from the LF ?

The lowest frequency has strongest signal so higher frequencies go inside of that signal, not otherwise: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/2_pirmine_iskociojimas_pjuklas__50_hercu.jpg