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Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze

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znel

Quote from: baroutologos on December 12, 2011, 12:23:21 PM
@znel,

the interesting part (at least for me) is not the shift of the voltage node... it is that high frequency oscillation without any capacitance to match the L component to do so. At least at first sight...
In your schematic, your LC circuit, instead of series (as in a typical Kacher is parallel), both ends antinodes, whereas node is in the middle.
In mine, i still try to figure out. Perhaps verpie should lend a hand :)

@jbignes5,

I will try to center ferrite, although i expect no major difference. By the way, i have noticed another peculiarity with ferrites as they tend to heat in the middle. I have used the 180mm coil and another 400mm long coil. Again, ferrite's heating point is in the middle.

The coil has it's own self capacitance which gives it a certain free resonance.   Adding ground nodes or iron your shifting the voltage node to different areas of the coil.   You also shift the current nodes.   When a coil is at 1/4 wave resonance it blasts into the environment wasting a considerable amount, you can shift the voltage node to contain this expulsion and better use it in your loads.   

I used the var cap in that schematic to shift the frequency just below resonance, keeping the HV node in the center of the coil or there about and offsetting the frequency just enough to find a current node with good voltage from the coil ends.   So instead of blasting 20kv into the environment the voltage is contained and I can collect energy from a current node with reasonable voltage.   You can convert the HV into current in other ways or you can use the natural phasing which, in my mind, is way more efficient. 

We tend to look at the coils as LC circuits and overlook the fact that they are essentially antenna's and that we are building transmitters.   Our transmitters are also recievers.    A good article about "how antennaz work" written in 1924 gives a very good overview of how these coils are operating, also goes along with what Jbigness5 has presented in showing the voltage rise across the coil and how altering the nodes alters the coils characteristics.   The article can be found here    http://www.teslauniverse.com/tcba-volume_17-issue_2   ( page 12 ) You may have to sign in to read it but it's free along with all their other copies of the tcba issues.    Another great resource for information of the past.

We spend a lot of time building 1/4 wave resonators and watch the intriguing discharges, if we alter that thinking a bit and run them just under 1/4 wave or even at an altered half wave what can we achieve...?  Lots to discover I believe...



 

jbignes5






Yeah much of my earlier experience was with AM radio. The CB. We used air capacitors and swr meters all the time to tune our antennas. Of course a properly built antenna will always trump a very good swr. The bigger the better. We also had what they called Beam antennas. With a transmitter element with reflector elements on the back. The reflectors were just a copper loop. You could have as many reflectors that you had space for. The DB gains on these antennas ranged very far up there. One in particular was the gran daddy named Moon Raker I believe.


Here is a good page with silver plated everything for cb'ers. Coil cables you name it. http://www.bighairantennas.com/

vrand

 Hi baroutologos


In the original Kacher video saved here:


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/7849636/kacher_brovine_tesla_system/


Kacher also had 2 separate solid copper tube inside the coil with one of the copper tubes a wire connected to it (the other end of the wire going to a solid ring ferrite on the outside) with 2 ferrite rods inside the 2 solid copper tubes.


In your video I did not see the solid copper tubes inside your coil or the solid ring ferrite.  Were they inside there?


Cheers Mike


Quote from: baroutologos on December 12, 2011, 09:08:09 AM

I was experimenting with my Kacher setup and noticed an oddity, to me at least.
I regarded Kachers were run by their LC component that is the coil and stray capacitance or any added capacitance. I know they also formulate a standing wave, that correspond to the running frequency thus determining wavelength etc

A couple of days ago, a noticed (i say it with some reserve though) that this is not necessarily so. A kacher can be run also at a frequency determined by the... voltage nodes? i explain...

...
When i assembled my Kacher with a coil (24awg, 180mm length, 50mm diam, 1.43 mH) and i left (coil) open ended, it oscillates about 1.72 MHz freely. By forcing an antinode to the hot lead, (applying a resistor say 10K and connecting it to emitter or ground or even short it to emmiter) the Kacher starts oscillating at 2.8 MHz (more or less), nothing suggesting that exists any LC component for dictating such oscillation. Also, no matter if i add any capacitance anywhere, this frequency does not change much. (if at all)

By inserting a ferrite rod inside the coil, the frequency alters or lowers to some 2.2 Mhz and by observing coil's standing voltage with a screw driver, the voltage antinodes stays more or less the same, both ends are not hot, (especially if emmiter is really grounded) but this time the "standing voltage wave" is skewed. Of course a lower frequency has a larger wavelength, but since both HV coil's ends (i.e. base and emmiter) are almost same voltage assume a skewness to exist.

utube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp6wrh2Pqo

I would enjoy some comments

znel

Here is another version I've played with that shows some very good results... it was an attempt to "mix" voltage and current.   I would change the 4148 to something better capable to handle current - these didn't last long.   I found the UF4007's to be a better replacement.


znel

Quote from: jbignes5 on December 12, 2011, 02:26:41 PM




Yeah much of my earlier experience was with AM radio. The CB. We used air capacitors and swr meters all the time to tune our antennas. Of course a properly built antenna will always trump a very good swr. The bigger the better. We also had what they called Beam antennas. With a transmitter element with reflector elements on the back. The reflectors were just a copper loop. You could have as many reflectors that you had space for. The DB gains on these antennas ranged very far up there. One in particular was the gran daddy named Moon Raker I believe.


Here is a good page with silver plated everything for cb'ers. Coil cables you name it. http://www.bighairantennas.com/

Jbigness, I've followed your work for quite some time on energetic and have learned a bunch from you.   You are quite a bit more advanced than myself and sometimes your posts are difficult to follow but I continue to absorb as much as I can.   Thanks for your contributions it's helped move me forward in my "quest for fire".