German Scientist Posts Complete Free Energy Documentation Online

[jibbguy]

Bolt, i would agree with you about the importance of Rotoverter tech And even that the tiny little motor has little practical use.

However, it is the actual event of the Paper itself that is so important. If this holds up for say, a year without being refuted (as it certainly will, Dr. Turtur has left no room for skeptics...much to their dismay lol), it then becomes a critical PRECEDENT, as well as a milestone. The next Paper from another scientist can then be published using this as reference, then more Papers using the two precedents, etc. Eventually, there is a large body of scientific Peer-reviewed work that refutes the classical model on the existence of "Vacuum" or "Zero Point" energy... And it can no longer be ignored... It must then be accepted by the scientific mainstream... This can answer the old "perpetual motion" B-S; by showing it to be an OPEN SYSTEM and therefor not really accountable to the "Laws of Thermodynamics"; since Maxwell and his cronies did not take into account "Aetheric energy".

And that then makes it MUCH HARDER for them to knee-jerk deny devices that operate on it. And once THAT hurdle is past, we will eventually see them marketed and studied in Universities openly. 

As for working devices, we will probably always have to just build and carefully test them "Empirically" first... THEN after they are proved to work, tie them back to the theoretical side

This is how nearly every great move forward in science has worked... Provide the real-word proof, and thus force the change in accepted Theory over time.

[TinselKoala]

Actually there is plenty of room for skepticism in Turtur's work. While he is a careful scientist, I believe that he has not yet fully eliminated possible sources of artifact in his system.
Any time you have high vacuum, high or even elevated voltages, and physical stuff in close proximity, you will have all kinds of random and not-so-random thrusts and attractions and repulsions and environmental influences to contend with.
I'm just saying, this set of experiments is hard to do right, and the difficulty increases inversely to the pressure.

[Vladokv]

  I have watched Turtur work for a long time. Here other missing documents:
http://rapidshare.com/files/259985134/Turtur.zip.html

Power of this device exponentialy increase with size or voltage, or both. Turtur is teoretical oriented, not too much interested on material problems of device. Study those documents, results are suported by math and teory. Just need to build bigger and stronger model of this currentless motor

[Xaero_Vincent]

Hi Xaero!

Thanks for taking an interest.  Sorry for not replying, but I kind of forgot about this thread since the Kapanadze/Don Smith thread got going, as it gave me an excuse to get playing with my tesla coil and its been a lot of fun!  My set up wasnt oriented towards ''results'', other than trying to see if the rotor turned or not.  I dont have a vacuum chamber, and I was using more volts (I tried between 15 and 30 KV), and a smaller rotor.  My rotor was balanced on polysytrene chunks, just like the professors.  The blades (3) are about 6cm long.  The rotor turned (and adjusted its poistion to the centre of the electrode) , and in the same direction professor turturs did, but very slowly.  Because of the set up, its impossible to say that i confirmed his results, but it did convince me that the prof is right, anyhow (about motion).  But I dont think my one was providing more energy in turning than I was putting in the electrode.  In fact, i'm certain it wasnt! But my set up was very very basic.  Easy for anyone to try themselves.

I'm glad someone else has taken an interest.  i wish you the best of luck with all your experiments.  I really hope you're right and there is a way to get this turning faster than the current required to hold a charge on the electrode.  If he can get a turn out of a balloon, it bodes well.  surely there are better electrets around!

Anyone else trying this?

Yea, at close distances voltage of 15 to 30 kV in air will surely cause electrical breakdown of the air causing havoc on rotation. This should be clearly visible with corona discharge and sounds with that much voltage. The power loss would be very great in this scenario if measured with a multimeter. BTW, Dr. Turtur concluded that clock wise rotation will still result from gas ionization wind with normal rotor blades. I'll have experiment with the curved tip blades to check for counter-clockwise rotation.

Dr. Turtur was able to achieve rotation in air with as little as 1.1 kV. He concluded ionized winds weren't occurring at that voltage since the distance between the rotor and the field source was about 4 cm (1.5 inches). A rotation of 12 RPMs was observed at 1.4 kV at the same distance, which still cannot explain ionization winds.

Partial breakdown is required (not always visible via arcs) to generate ion wind thrust and the voltage here clearly isn't enough at the measured distance because electrical breakdown of the air dielectric begins at about 3 kV/mm (.039 inches).

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AliceHong.shtml

The balloon isn't an effective electret because I observed that ionization can still occur (audibly) with the charged surface of the balloon. I measured a current and voltage across a balloon as soon as I brought it near a sheet of aluminium foil hooked up to my multimeter. However the balloon can be positioned far enough away that no discharge occurs yet still observe an attractive image charge to the foil.

[Xaero_Vincent]

Bolt has a point in the sense that while Dr. Turtur may have possibly discovered something here distinctive from electrogravity (which many reports claim dont occur in vacuum) the energy density is poor.

For instance, Dr. Turtur calculated that a few rotors of 100 meters diameter and 20 meters high stacked upon each other, perhaps with a 125-150 meter diameter field source disc can produce 2 or 3 megawatts of power. What he doesn't explain is whether or not a vacuum would be needed here--my guess is yes to reduce isolation losses.

So I suppose reality sets in... a 3 MW power-plant generator with with rotors the size of large ferris wheels must be lightweight and balanced properly on an axis. On top of this the motor must be housed in a large vacuum-tight generator room with a vacuum pressure of probably in the magnitude of at least 10 ^ -4 Torr. I'm not sure we have the technology (or money) to create such a vacuum in such a large enclosure?

The machine becomes very interesting in space, though. The vacuum of space is quite free there.