Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[sm0ky2]

How close?
I think 4 feet is far enough.

1.5ft is what i triangulated it approx.
too close i know.. but its what i have to work with.

milli?
I thought I had microamps. I need to check.

thats why i said "the meter reads",  im not sure if thats an anomalous reading or what, but its holding at a steady 2.4ma now.

Do you have a joule thief that operates on less than 1 volt? You could be making one while you wait.

i havent made any JT yet..  i still dont understand it....
I/C + transistor ??
what makes it a "joule thief" vs any other I/C + transistor circuit??

i have all sorts of components in my toolkit, but im not really sure what to do with them to make it a "joule thief"
i didnt notice anything special about those circuits in the thread...  i just dont get it...

i assume there is a certain number of turns of x guage wire to tune it to operate at 1v??  i'd have to look up all the parts numbers on my transistors to see which ones would even be applicable..

i have a handful of 5v caps (and some larger) of all kinds,
is electrolytic the best to use for JT??

do i need a secondary pick-up coil? or does it just feed back into the circuit?

im sure all this has been covered in the JT threads, hidden amongst the mess....   its probably simpler than my mind tries to make it, i just dont understand what makes it tick.
I/C circuits have been in use for more decades than i have been alive, yet the "JT" is fairly new...

and still i dont see the difference...

think i need a JT-Tutor...

[lltfdaniel1]

Smokey:

Nice work.  That is a good start.  A lot of others here will agree that once you leave that in the ground for a few days, your reading will go up.  Stubblefield said that, and myself and others have seen the same thing.  I really have no idea why.  mA's are hard to make and to measure.  See what it reads in a day or two.

Iltfdaniel:

Good post.  I have read similar info before and it is good to see.  Lord Kelvin talked about sea batteries and, funny thing was, most assumed it was galvanic but he proved it was not.  Thanks for posting this here. Did you mean my strange readings on my scope?

Bill

Yep sure did.

[lltfdaniel1]

Once were done with logging and gathered enough..but please do share and also tell us your weather and time.

Next would be to get more amps and volts...useing the sea battery method and experiment.

I read on energeticforum that Stubblefield used radium for his earth battery but to keep it open minded...it also produced ions...these ions influence your cell..he must of used the ion effect along with the obvious nuclear effect...but i find the old stuff is the best..books from 1900 to 1950..

Yea i know i haven't shared any data logging anyways i am just feeding to lead on to the same discovery regarding sea batterys and compare and in anycase i view this earth current like some jet stream.

As far as i can see...the earth is interlinked with its systems and along with the solar system...the moon would have an effect with its magnetic do da...along with the earths..and a sea tides is an example but a closer eye would suggest that it is effecting the earth and thus also the ions i feel...all interlinked you know...like sound into electric..turn the sound down and you reduce the electric...versa versa...but then the earth has to maintain it's ions so yea but would have some effect.

Like ionosphere resonance where you tap into the earths amplifer so to speak where normally a radio would have 50 mile range then you tap into this and get 1000 miles in conjuction with the earth...so it is like a little speaker being turned into a massive one and thus...if you turn this into electric..then expect more electric..thus why tesla basicly called it a amplifer so to speak.

The sea method basicly taps into this earth current and use it as a carrier wave like the ionosphere resonance...i feel you can get much more than a few milliamps and a few volts there.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061016142335AAA6Ps0

[Pirate88179]

1.5ft is what i triangulated it approx.
too close i know.. but its what i have to work with.
thats why i said "the meter reads",  im not sure if thats an anomalous reading or what, but its holding at a steady 2.4ma now.

i havent made any JT yet..  i still dont understand it....
I/C + transistor ??
what makes it a "joule thief" vs any other I/C + transistor circuit??

i have all sorts of components in my toolkit, but im not really sure what to do with them to make it a "joule thief"
i didnt notice anything special about those circuits in the thread...  i just dont get it...

i assume there is a certain number of turns of x guage wire to tune it to operate at 1v??  i'd have to look up all the parts numbers on my transistors to see which ones would even be applicable..

i have a handful of 5v caps (and some larger) of all kinds,
is electrolytic the best to use for JT??

do i need a secondary pick-up coil? or does it just feed back into the circuit?

im sure all this has been covered in the JT threads, hidden amongst the mess....   its probably simpler than my mind tries to make it, i just dont understand what makes it tick.
I/C circuits have been in use for more decades than i have been alive, yet the "JT" is fairly new...

and still i dont see the difference...

think i need a JT-Tutor...

Smokey:

The JT circuit is simple...at least for the simple version which is all you need.  No cap on the JT, no secondary, just a bifilar winding on a 1" ferrite toroid and use a 1k resistor and a 2n3904 transistor.  There is a very good Instructables on how to make the simple one: http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-Joule-Thief/

That is what I used to make my first one.  26 ga. wire, wound bifilar and the components I mentioned above.  This will take a AA battery down to almost nothing.  I have many lights around my house running on "dead" batteries.

The supercap I mentioned will not be part of the JT circuit but will be wired in parallel with your EB.

Very easy to do and it is not the same as using an ic. (like the 555 timer)  It is way more efficient, and if you get into some of the advanced stuff being done on the JT topic, you can get up to 1,300 volts from a single "dead" AA battery.

Hope this helps.

Bil

[jeanna]

  probably not a full tutor!

The joule thief is really simple.

It relies on the switching transistor to turn the thing on and off.
The toroid which is at least wound with a simple center tapped bifilar toroid is a wonderful and easy design.

I have been using a secondary since December, because it uses less amps and has a much better ability to catch the flyback (back emf spikes) Those are the things that create the difference. The spikes. I will not tempt myself to go on about that for the moment.

A 1k ohm resistor gets added to the base of the transistor to regulate the switching.

It is very simple to do and is wide open for advancement.
The ics though wonderful, are more specific in their uses than this. This is growing with each new person who joins the group.

So, don't worry about the details of fancy winding designs, but do make one without a secondary and one with a secondary.
The one with a secondary uses no light in the C-E place. You stick it there briefly to make sure the circuit is done right, then take it out. It just uses more juice than needed.

I recommend you get a toroid from allelectronics Tor-23 is a really sweet one very high frequency lower volts, but high enough. (10/$1)
2N3904 is a swift transistor capable of 200MHz - 500MHz. Fast enough for jazz. 2N2222 works great too.
1k ohm resistor.
Tele wire cat-5 cable (12 inches 2 wires)
battery leads for the EB or a holder for inside.
Allelectronics sells decent leds too. Later you can get 100 from china for $9.

You can get a toroid from some compact fluorescent bulbs.
I bet it is the ones that scream.
Some have a chip, some have a ballast, some have a toroid. It is too bad radioshack doesn't sell a toroid.

I hope I didn't add too many details.
If I have confused you please ask.

jeanna