Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[jdcmusicman]

Hey folks I been reading all these post for almost a month now , and be doing some test myself..
I haven't done any of the EER out in the ground yet but have been doing isolated cells inside the house , some with plain dirt some with a vinegar mix and some with a mix of magnesium citrate(laxitive)lol....
I been using several combinations of different types of metals ..

#1 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing
In a ice tray wires in series with about 2 tablespoons of vinegar will light 2 bright white leds(12000 mcd) for 1 week till dead , after this all the zinc is consumed and voltage drops way down ...
Open volts are  approx 12.04 ,shorted ma reading around 8ma , it stays pretty constant for 4 days then starts dropping off...

#2 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing in a 6" x 1 1/4" pvc pipe with flashing all the way around the tube with a 7"x 1/2" copper tube in the middle with the laxative ,6 of these wired 3 in series and the 2 banks of 3 in parallel ..I build this 10 days ago,and have not been running any lights off it.
At start I had 3.56v open and 102 ma shorted..
10 days later I have 2.52v open with 42ma shorted..
I have the dirt packed very tight, I also charged a big cap with this for approx 8 hrs and had almost 1 amp at around 3v open ..

#3 A small tube cell similar to the ice tray with about same results..

#4 A sandwich style that is only 5/8" thick by 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" , with copper/zinc and cardboard no dirt ..Light a bright white led 12000mcd for 6 hrs solid till the cardboard was almost dry, have re-wet it and get the same intensity as the start ..(still testing on this one)
I soaked the cardboard in water with 1 tbs of the laxative ..
open volts 3.74v 6 ma shorted to start after approx 8 hrs running a light i still get 3.74v open and 2 ma shorted...

#5 Stainless steel/ aluminum no electrolyte  just dirt ...
SS pipe 7 "x 2" with a 3/4" aluminum pipe in the center ..
.86 v open 8 ma shorted to start 2 days later  .44 volts 2.6 ma shorted ..
still testing ....Just another note on these 2 metals adding vinegar or laxative has no affect as it does with the copper/galvanized ..I find this interesting....

One other interesting thing I have noticed is that I get better reading during the day than I do at night, whether it be outside or inside .
Any one got any input on this ? Is sunlight having some affect on it ?
I would like to know ..

Well anyway this is just some of the stuff I am playing with right now ,I am planning on trying carbon rods as soon as I can get some ..And am also looking to get away from adding electrolyte, So far the the no elite works best with the SS/aluminum..
I have also done SS/zinc it has low volts but decent ma readings..
I hope this adds , probably been done by some one else , but I figured I would share it ...

Thanks Jdcmusicman

[nightshade]

Jeanna

connect the potentiometer onto your (positive)  wire so it's in series with   

your earth battery then you can adjust your voltage they

were used back in the days when they used the earth batteries to power

the telegraph stations from what I have read they also used

inductors as well  I would love to get a look at some of the equipment they

used back on those earth battery's

                                                shane

[IotaYodi]

One other interesting thing I have noticed is that I get better reading during the day than I do at night, whether it be outside or inside .
Any one got any input on this ? Is sunlight having some affect on it ?

Seems in ground probes do basically the same. It is an electromagnetic field from the Sun which is radiant energy . I guess you could do  experiments in the day by putting it in the refrigerator for a few hours. I would let it reach its max before putting it in. 

[jeanna]

Hey folks I been reading all these post for almost a month now , and be doing some test myself..


#1 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing ...electrolyte...

#2 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing in a 6" x 1 1/4" pvc pipe with flashing all the way around the tube with a 7"x 1/2" copper tube in the middle with the laxative ,6 of these wired 3 in series and the 2 banks of 3 in parallel ..I build this 10 days ago,and have not been running any lights off it.
At start I had 3.56v open and 102 ma shorted..
10 days later I have 2.52v open with 42ma shorted..
I have the dirt packed very tight, I also charged a big cap with this for approx 8 hrs and had almost 1 amp at around 3v open ..

#3 A small tube cell similar to the ice tray with about same results..

#4 A sandwich style that is only 5/8" thick by 1 1/2" x 1 1/2, with copper/zinc and cardboard no dirt .

#5 Stainless steel/ aluminum no electrolyte  just dirt ...

...I get better reading during the day than I do at night, ... Is sunlight having some affect on it ?
I would like to know ..

...,I am planning on trying carbon rods as soon as I can get some ..

Thanks Jdcmusicman

Nice report jdcmusicman.
Thank you... it is all good information.

#2 is the closest to our working setup.
Would you be willing to put one together with just the 2 metals and no electrolyte for this test we are doing?

The test here is with similar probes in the ground, (those being copper and zinc or zinc dipped roofing nail). We are looking at the global changes on a daily (almost) basis. So, everything else must be as close as possible to everyone else's  for our results to be valid.

[I have 2 setups. One for here, and one that is experimental. I try to keep the reports of the experimental one on one of the earth battery threads to keep this particular datalogging easier to see.]

As far as the sun is concerned I have seen differences with it, but I am not able to quantify anything even after all my tests. The sun or water make a difference, but without a way to accurately measure the moisture there is no way to quantify the sun.

If you want to , you could make an extra test for this and for us here. You could use a fully saturated (=dripping water wet) soil and compare sunlight and moon phases too. [The magnetic pull from the moon is enough to make the tides rise and fall on the enormous body of water we call ocean, so, I bet it can pull some magnetic effects on our probes too.] You might put the soaking wet soil+probes in plastic bags to maintain even moisture better. But, do not move the probes once they are in the earth, as they seem to entrain in their place.

And, welcome. I am glad to have you here,

connect the potentiometer onto your (positive)  wire so it's in series with   your earth battery then you can adjust your voltage
they were used back in the days when they used the earth batteries to power the telegraph stations from what I have read

What an interesting concept that you would want to add a resistor when we have been trying to get the voltage as high as we can. I wonder what the reason was?

they also used inductors as well  I would love to get a look at some of the equipment they used back on those earth battery's
                                                shane

me too.

Thanks for this info

jeanna

[Pirate88179]

@ JDC:

Very nice work and welcome to our group here.  It is always good to have another experimenter join us.

Jeanna:

Great point about the moon phases, it never occurred to me.  Night and day difference are already being reported but, good thinking on the moon.  I would guess that it would have some effect.  As to if it is measurable or not, well, we will have to see.  Excellent thinking.

Bill