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Started by Grumpy, August 10, 2009, 09:48:27 AM

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Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 03:34:01 AM

A radiant event will travel the surface of a wire while the electrons get bogged down in the resistance of the wire.
You need as much surface area as possible  with an appreciable resistance. Lamp cord or Litz would work


Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 11:29:42 PM

With radiant electricity it is possible to measure a potential on one wire at two locations.

This fact would relate to forming a wire ( or many wires in parallel ) into the shape of a slightly open circle ( or hoop ) and being able to measure a potential across both ends of the same wire.


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darkspeed

Grumpy is inserting tab a into slot b  8)

For this to work requires some unconventional thinking on the use of capacitors..

They separate the conventional electricity from the unconventional electricity  ;D


Goals:

More Pressure - Higher DC Bias to be interrupted by the saturation event
Faster Rise Time
Shorter Peak Time - Duty Cycle
Faster Fall Time

I Dont really care about the repetition rate of this cycle but it looks like the device in question was inducing this cycle 6000 times per second

BEP

Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
I had a couple of people pm me on this so i will answer it here..

When i said " when is a short not a short " I was referring to the Tesla Hairpin Circuit.

With conventional electricity you measure a potential between two separate conductors each having an electron potential relative to each other.

With radiant electricity it is possible to measure a potential on one wire at two locations.

This fact would relate to forming a wire ( or many wires in parallel ) into the shape of a slightly open circle ( or hoop ) and being able to measure a potential across both ends of the same wire.

This is true but one problem....

All Tesla hairpin circuits are just tank circuits. The spark gap spews very wide band Hertzian waves in the radio spectrum. The tank (hairpin) determines the firing frequency of the spark gap and resonates to that portion of the spark gap radiation (point source) with oscillation. At that point you can short any two nodes or any two anti-nodes together and still light a lamp from any node to any anti-node.

There is no wonder in the hairpin. They are called tuning stubs when on an antenna. The wonder is in the simple spark gap. The energy source of the first radio transmitters.

Tesla's hairpin circuit was a wonder only because it was the first VHF radio transmitter.

For me, the wonder is the amount of folks (obviously with little to no radio experience) that sit google-eyed at a hairpin demonstration. They should be amazed at what is being radiated by the spark gap, instead.

darkspeed

Quote from: BEP on September 20, 2009, 01:28:14 AM
This is true but one problem....

All Tesla hairpin circuits are just tank circuits. The spark gap spews very wide band Hertzian waves in the radio spectrum. The tank (hairpin) determines the firing frequency of the spark gap and resonates to that portion of the spark gap radiation (point source) with oscillation. At that point you can short any two nodes or any two anti-nodes together and still light a lamp from any node to any anti-node.

There is no wonder in the hairpin. They are called tuning stubs when on an antenna. The wonder is in the simple spark gap. The energy source of the first radio transmitters.

Tesla's hairpin circuit was a wonder only because it was the first VHF radio transmitter.

For me, the wonder is the amount of folks (obviously with little to no radio experience) that sit google-eyed at a hairpin demonstration. They should be amazed at what is being radiated by the spark gap, instead.

yes correct! the event is in the gap.. actually 90 deg to the gap

However there are two hair pins one is RF and one is Radiant.. Everything on youtube is RF.. most I have seen are RF but I once saw one that was radiant.. It was built out of one meter carbon rods. difference like night and day.

darkspeed

Not to throw too many logs on the fire but ....

When building a resonant tank circuit there are a set of rules and math that predict the outcome and specify inductors and capacitors.

but...

When you are working with a radiant event the math greatly changes due to time scale.

The equations will no longer predict an outcome and you are left manually adjusting capacitance and TRIMMING COILS to achieve the desired result.

Variable capacitors and multi-tap inductors will make finding the desired result allot easier than relying on conventional tank circuit math.