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Started by Grumpy, August 10, 2009, 09:48:27 AM

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otto

Hello all,

its not a problem to light a 100W bulb to a full brightness. Come on. After so many years not to light a bulb would be a little bit idiotic, to say so. Im talking about myself, not the people here, they are fine.

A time ago I made a TPU that could light a bulb to full brightness with less input then output but I was not satisfied because I couldnt say "thats it"!!!

Something was not perfect! It was only my feeling but I had to forget how I did it because it was not done in the right way.

Now, after SMs posts I know the right way and I hope not to fail so much as in the past but you know how it is: when you think you have it, a little problem becomes a big one and .......

Otto

rensseak

Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:9792/saha-edwards-aup.pdf

Abstract:

Currents are established on the surface of conductors by the propagation of electromagnetic waves in the insulating material between them. If the load is less than the characteristic impedance of the insulating material of the line, multiple reflections and retransmissions eventually build up the line current to that required by the load. The currents are initially established on the surface of the conductors before diffusing relatively slowly into the interior and gives rise to the skin effect. The diffusion velocity depends the conductivity, permeability, thickness of the conductor, and the frequency of the excitation, and such effects of the diffusion process are difficult to conceptually appreciate. Fortunately, the diffusion of heat into solids is very similar, and will be used as ananalogy to aid understanding. This diffusion is the means whereby current moves into conductors and flux into of magnetic cores.


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BEP

Very good papers. Never seen such before on the civilian side.

The only things I see that concern me are:

1. Where is the phase relationship difference of magnetic field propagation between the two major electric currents?
2. They still don't see the difference between the magnetic field generated by current propagation and the magnetic field opposing the first magnetic field.
3. I see no mention of the helical rotation of charge and current propagation cause by the magnetic fields created during movement. It looks like they are still thinking in 2D.

Who knows? Maybe the world is still flat?  :D

Grumpy

Quote from: BEP on August 21, 2009, 06:48:35 AM
Very good papers. Never seen such before on the civilian side.

The only things I see that concern me are:

1. Where is the phase relationship difference of magnetic field propagation between the two major electric currents?
2. They still don't see the difference between the magnetic field generated by current propagation and the magnetic field opposing the first magnetic field.
3. I see no mention of the helical rotation of charge and current propagation cause by the magnetic fields created during movement. It looks like they are still thinking in 2D.

Who knows? Maybe the world is still flat?  :D

I doubt you will find these answers in writing on the civilian side.

I found some old articles (FitzGerald) on the magnetic field of a displacement current being "open" rather than "closed", but nothing about this in the last 100 years.

Took long enough to find that the displacement causes conduction current to flow.

Getting to the point: is it possible to cause current flow with the proper application of displacement current along/across the wire?  I suspect that it is.

If you create a rotating region of displacement current, it will cause the electrons/positrons to move.  Of course you need to keep the region "alive", so you'd have to keep stimulating it with HV to keep repolarizing it.   I'd guess that the tuning is very tight and you could sweep right past it and never know it was there.
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Back to a basics level just a level or two above Maxwell's vortex view of the aether. 8)   The magnetic field disruption is increased by the number of ampere turns in a coil.  The impedance of the coil also increases with the number of turns so as we increase turns it becomes increasingly difficult to increase current flow through the coil.  We must either raise the voltage or decrease the frequency to increase the ampere turns effect.  In a single turn loop this also stands true.  To effect a greater magnetic field disruption we need to increase current through the one turn loop.  If we drop the frequency to say 7hz the loop impedance to this signal at 120volts appears as a dead short to the supply.  So lower the voltage.  The ampere turns magnetic field disruption can now be accomplished from a very low voltage ac signal.  The resistance of the coil conductor now becomes the limiting factor as to how many ampereturns we have.  Tesla knew this simple fact and look at what he did on his primaries.  Liquid nitrogen baths,  copper tubing primaries,  etc.  SM used multistranded cable which allows for better resistance due to the high order of surface area as compared to solid conductors we typically find in electric motor magnet wire.  A 1volt peak to peak ac signal at 7hz can now produce a very large ampereturn effect.  Now to get some induced voltage out of this we wrap a secondary around the coil.  The number of turns here is alot. The magnetic field disruption now allows for an induced emf of say 120volts at 7hz.   Into this circuit we introduce some resistance to increase the impedance of the secondary.  The lights come on from a ultra low frequency 1volt scource.  In order to collect a 1volt ptop 7hz signal we need to have a very large dipole antennae or a loop antennae  that is electrically enlarged.  If the loop antennae becomes resonate with wave cancellling at the antennae surface then the wave energy being cancelled is converted into the voltage needed to drive the loop.  The near field of the loop antennae driving the output of the circuits while the radiated waves from the loop acting as the field excitation.
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