New invention of motion less generation of electric power

[teslaalset]

I have some idea what this mysterious siphon effect could be.
Imagine, that from some source we move charge -2Q to second plate. After this plate becomes electrically neutral. But first plate still contains charge -2Q, which creates potential difference:
U2' = 2Q/C (in absolute terms)

So if we use conventional voltmeter, these two capacitors will be indistinguishable. But if we connect positive pole of first capacitor with positive pole of second capacitor and negative pole of first capacitor with negative pole of second capacitor, there will be current flowing because of charge imbalances. So maybe not only voltage is important, but also potential! Remember, that Ali said, that his circuit must be powered with AC source with both polarities against neutral wire.

Jan, that is an interesting approach.
If I combine this charge imbalance with the non-ideal behaviour of Elco's there must be an natural oscillation when connecting two of such capacitors.
By switching the connection at very specific time slots you can move charges and keep the capacitors unbalanced.

[hartiberlin]

Now comes important step. Imagine, that from some source we move charge -2Q to second plate. After this plate becomes electrically neutral. But first plate still contains charge -2Q, which creates potential difference:
U2' = 2Q/C (in absolute terms)

Hi Jan,
how would you do this ?

Just using one one wire (one connector pole) only ?

Wouldn´t this only work with high voltage ?

So if we use conventional voltmeter, these two capacitors will be indistinguishable. But if we connect positive pole of first capacitor with positive pole of second capacitor and negative pole of first capacitor with negative pole of second capacitor, there will be current flowing because of charge imbalances. So maybe not only voltage is important, but also potential! Remember, that Ali said, that his circuit must be powered with AC source with both polarities against neutral wire.

Hmm, don´t you think that there will really be flowing charges, although
both voltages of both caps will be the same ?

Can somebody please try this ?
I am currently in Austria and can´t experiment right now.

If there will be flowing really a current then this really could be an effect
that Ali is using and maybe charging this way the 3rd cap up with more voltage and charges,
if he puts both caps in series.

Many thanks for these interesting ideas.

[forest]

That method was used with HV by Tesla and D'Arsonval. To capacitors joined together and spark gap between them.

It's essential to have capacitors which can be charged by induction ,that means if one terminal is connected to source of HV positive second is charged by induction,pulling electrons from other capacitor.
The effect is pulling electrons from ground while generating on each spark gap discharge high frequency oscillations. If there is a path between both capacitors to dump such oscillation to third capacitor, it will be charged at a very fast rate. The end is inverter which drain third capacitor at slower rate (for example 50hz).
Seems it's one of the method of using radiant electricity in one kind of OU devices. BAsed on Tesla patent from 1901 for example 0685957 -Apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy

[markdansie]

@Lucian,
Hi, firstly my appollogies for not expressing myself well.
I was referring to your replication. Are you willing to have that tested ?

Your Quotes:
"For me, it is simple to use their documents and my small demonstration device.
"The type of Moraru "Engine which I have "replicated"

In the case of Ali, time will tell, but at least he is working with others on establishing correct measuring procedures.
Kind Regards
Mark

[jan.kolar]

Hi Jan,
how would you do this ?

Just using one one wire (one connector pole) only ?

See my uploaded file for preliminary scheme. Two loads are equivalent for elevation in Ali's example with bath tub.

Wouldn´t this only work with high voltage ?

Hmm, don´t you think that there will really be flowing charges, although
both voltages of both caps will be the same ?

I think principle should work independently of voltage. But maybe high voltage is needed for measurable effects, i dont know at this moment.

Some notes to work of Ali. I think DC unit is not necessary for testing overunity. Even if power unit will be DC, current flowing from source can have alternating components (f > 0Hz) when making fourier analysis (maybe high frequency spikes). So we need quality hf ampermeter with true rms, ideally high frequency oscilloscope to see shape of curves. I also noted that control system is powered with 12V, 0.25A (i cant see videos because i have only mobile internet). This power input should also be measured with the same method to convince all sceptics.