New invention of motion less generation of electric power

[wattsup]

@winsonali

Firs of all, I wish to confirm that just the way you talk, explain and discuss of such matters of OU, I knew you had something special and that you were really thinking out of the box as some others here are doing.

But, peer review what. Free energy. They will say it is not possible, that you are a crazy nut and to not bother them. Only when the mass has replicated, tried and tested will any possible other venues take any form of interest. The only other party that will have interest is those that will buy or freeze your patent to put it in Forgetsville. You are better off going to the public first and let the peer reviewers run after you when their time is right. Why should you waste energy trying to convince scientists with, dare I say industrially and politically closed minds, when the simplest is to let the people know and make the moves for you. In any case, once it is public domain, some students in most all University engineering classes will take it up so fast that all this work will be done for you and not by you.

Then, trying to keep the secret to then make and sell units is like trying to sell drugs to the maffffffia. Very unhealthy when you are a small single man fighting against all the outer forces.

The best advise for now is these;

1) Make a copy of your paper, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself by registered mail. Then when you receive it, never open it. Keep it sealed should you require proof of first discovery. Make another copy and give it to a trusted lawyer (very hard to find these days - lol).

2) Don't try to patent a free energy device since it will not pass, and if it does, you will then require investors, business plan, you will be surrounded by greedy people, and eventually, they will block the company and put the device on hold. In any case trying to make money with such a device, since it will be the first one, you can rest assured that it will become obsolete within 2-3 months because others will have improved on it or taken the base theory and developed newer and better theories with devices to show for it, as it should be. You are better off giving the information freely and to become one of the "Fathers of the OU effort", then to become obsolete very quickly. This way you can provide your consultation services and help many many companies start to build and sell the device so that no one can then stop you.

3) If your main device is a complicated method that can only be made by a few, then send a copy of your paper to them or a copy of the device and ask them to build and/or test it.

4) If you can simplify the theory in a way that most all OUers can quickly understand with no misunderstandings so they can implement a simple build and testing by more people, then this is the best advice. Like OU must multiply the input for more output, you must do the same thing and provide the input to as many as possible and get as much as possible output from many people at the same time. This will protect you and make any effort of the bigger powers to stop it as pointless, useless, and actually counter productive to their public interests.

We can give you endless examples of very very smart inventors that made something very exceptional with worldy impact potential that just went after the secretive mode, investor mode, patent mode, to never be able to talk about their device again. Jack Hildenbrandt had an OU motor, he held the secrets, patented it, but now he is gone to the ever after because of a sickness and we have not heard from the patent status again. SM with his TPUs. Nice videos, he had investors and now he is forced to shut up for the rest of his life. Joseph Newman has a special motor/generator but will not give out the secret and has tried on his own for the last 3 decades and he continues blaming everyone else but himself. Tesla was the master of all such works and even he was quashed so many times by the money brokers.

The only way is the public way. The free way. The easy way. All it takes is that one special human being that can see beyond his immediate hunger or desire for wealth, to then reap the biggest rewards anyone on Earth can hope for and that is "a thankful and renewed world that will endlessly acknowledge him as the seed that changed the world". This in itself should be enough. Everything else, money, gratitude should be secondary on your importance list since this will come as it happens, when it happens and should money be the main focus of your true intentions, then you will simply fail like the rest. So do it while the doing is good.

Tonight, if I find OU in one of my devices, I will do as above and also publish it immediately here. At the same time I will make two or three copies of the device and send it to some trusted members for their confirmations. Once that is done there is no stopping it.

Best of luck.

wattsup

[winsonali]

wattsup:
you are 100% right
i will definitely invite some members of the forum to come and see the device by them self  and then we will decide what to do i am not looking for investors at all i already have a factory involve in manufacturing of smart inverters so finances are not a problem the unit itself is a selling item so no need to put some one on your neck.
so i have taken your advice very seriously.

[EMdevices]

Ali,

1)  Try IEEE journals, they are peer reviewed
2)  Address the societies by submitting a paper for the next symposium. (be prepared for tough questions)
3)  Yes, it covers all that.

My advice, start with a paper and submit to a journal.  If all goes well you can move on from there.  I'm sure some people here can help provide feedback, the scientific community is very ridged, if you don't speak their lingo you won't get too far !

EM

P.S.    oh, and whatever you do, don't mention FREE ENERGY, you'll be laughed right out the door !   

So are you claiming free energy now?   I glanced at a few of your posts and I don't see anything to answer this question,  closing the loop should be easy if there is free energy there.   If I were on a panel reviewing your invention, that's the first thing I would ask.

hi all,


i have quite new results with my experiments
Is there any body who can guide me about
1) where to present the technical paper for review of peer groups.
2) how to address the scientific societies about the new concepts
3) patents do cover products, working principles , do they register the scientific concepts and there related experimental results.   

[jan.kolar]

I agree what wattsup said. One more suggestion. You can release your invention under some form of public license like GPL. This type of licence would acknowledge you as the author of the invention and simultaneously enabled other people to reproduce or improve it.

[lwh]

winsonali. 

1) where to present the technical paper for review of peer groups.

In the first instance, present your initial drafts of it here in public, or to a select few of the people here and in your private life whose opinion you respect.  It may well be that they can help you make the document/s more presentable and understandable before you present them to other 'peer groups' who might be less forgiving.

2) how to address the scientific societies about the new concepts.

If you do as recommended in 1), and your claims are found to be valid, word will spread and members of, or people who are more familiar with, those 'scientific societies' will become aware of what you have.  At this point you may find people who are willing to give you more precise information about, or even help you with, formally addressing such societies with your information. 

But, at this point too, you may encounter the first signs of resistance from the 'establishment' in regards to your discoveries.  Do not expect to be accepted, and do not waste precious time and peace of mind trying to be accepted.  If you are, that's all well and good, but there are more important things for you to do.  Don't be distracted by the politics of scientific discovery, just discover and share your discoveries with those who can appreciate them.  If it turns out that's the scientific establishment, so be it, but don't expect that sort of recognition, not when dealing with the sort of discoveries you're making.

3) patents do cover products, working principles, do they register the scientific concepts and there related experimental results.

Even if they do (and I'm not sure they do), if you just want to get a patent so your concepts and results are formally recorded somewhere, there are much better alternatives than going through the patent process.

These are just my (considered) opinions, not statements of fact.  If you don't find them helpful, just dismiss them.

Les.