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I see an economic diasater coming...

Started by the_big_m_in_ok, September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM

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Do you think the American economy will ever improve?

Yes, definitely
Possibly, in the long run
No, it will worsen
Undecided

triffid

At the core of the Federal Reserve's credibility is its insistence that it can hold interest rates low enough for long enough to ensure a complete economic recovery.

The reality may prove quite a bit different, particularly if current trends hold up.

Those low yields are critical for both the public and private sector—financing upwards of a trillion dollars a year in corporate borrowing as well as helping to contain financing costs for the government's $17.5 trillion debt.

But after nearly five months of a decline in yields that caught market participants almost completely off guard, talk is increasing that inflationary pressures are building and that yields may begin to rise in a way that could put the Fed behind the curve of market forces.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101697968?__source=yahoonews&par=yahoonews
The Fed's most recent projections are for GDP to grow in the 3 percent range for the next few years, yet it sees a need to keep its funds rate around zero.

Despite the Fed's hopes of continued low rates, the reality could see market structure get away from the Fed's actions.

infringer

We must understand that money itself has no inherent value. It is the people that use it to buy and supply goods who determine it's value. You can sit around and say that joe expert at such and such an exchange is saying that this is worth this or this is worth that. You can say that runaway inflation is certain and it is going to cause the dollar to collapse as it has been said over and over by the same experts predicting doom month after month then they got tired of doing it monthly so they started using like 3 month intervals and so on.  But at the end of the day the only people that determine much of anything are the people who control "needs" not wants of life that cause inflation.

So what I am saying is inflation basically is a choice yes we can choose to accept inflation or we can choose not to accept it it is a daily battle those in certain positions wanting to force inflation for profit and those who refuse to accept inflation.

Lets face it the numbers are and have been staggering if you were to count all of the money out in savings offshore, the savings here and abroad elsewhere, and the digital amount of money out as debt as well as the national debt there is something like 100 trillion plus dollars out there right now as I write this these are the real hard facts of it all. Now am I saying that the dollar is too big to fail no I don't believe that either nothing ever is too big to fail but there is a ton of proof into what I am saying if you did your social economic research. Every country owns dollars some countries will only trade in dollars to be honest the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency. Will it ever lose that status it may some day being the worlds reserve currency is a double edged sword while it garners some security it also means that the availability of the US dollar HAS to be much larger than every other currency available today. Why does this matter one would ask well money like anything else by old standards should cause inflation as more and more of it is available. There are a couple of things that keep this from happening a couple of them I have already mentioned. If joe expert tells bobs bait shop that the plastic to make his fishing lures will be likely to triple in price within the next year a couple of things come into play here who is the one charging this much for raw materials no one as of yet right so if the plastic provider decides you know we have a good supply of plastic just from recycled materials from consumers so if we have to offset this cost a bit so that joe can continue business as usual we will. Or we can buy everything that Joe expert says and create inflation. But what is really the crazy thing here if Joe expert hadn't said anything what would really happen.

There are so many strings being pulled here behind the scenes that to accurately predict economics no matter how much you think you know or did know there is always the unknown. One good example of this is digital currency for instance if you have ever looked at this with a fairly extensive eye you would see that what I say is true people do in fact dictate the worth of something even the worth of the dollar it is not as easy to crash the economy and try to make a killing off of gold or silver or whatever Joe or Jane expert tells people they should invest in instead. It takes much more these days and this is a good thing just because something is rare does not always mean that it will have more value anymore. Value is determined by people who are willing to give something value and this is what is true and what will hold true for some time. I remember when collectors plates were all the rage and rare plates with serial numbers were worth all kinds of money but today things have changed they don't hold the same value as they once did. The same goes for sports cards there were like 2 competing magazines for sports cards these were considered expert opinion on how much something is worth. There was however an inherent problem with this as time went on the emergence of the internet showed us that you can say something is worth X but the truth of the matter is you may get more for it or you may get less than it this is the Y value. And why it is worth Y value could be a number of reasons some of these reasons are never totally understood. But you see this is what makes economics as well as life itself an interesting thing no matter how much you think you know or know you know the value of that will always be Y.

Do I think runaway inflation and economic collapse is possible sure but the thing is no matter how many straw man arguments we make here it is probably more likely that it won't cause even if it would we must think people need to live, drink, eat, provide for their families and themselves and no matter what it is the Y that will prevail in the end so total economic collapse in a sense is not a likely thing to happen actually less likely than people seem to predict all the time these economic experts that keep repetitively predicting this stuff should really take a look at things and realize that hey maybe I am not such an expert after all and instead of constantly predicting all of this negativity they should start thinking about predicting and investing their time into positive and constructive things to make the economic situation for everyone better for the for all show some love and support if they are sincerely concerned. We all are capable of anything and I am just as capable of making the same negative utterances that have went on for the last 3 years but don't you think its time that we all get a shovel and some dump trucks and start shoveling the negative crap we are constantly fed and hauling it somewhere to burn for a positive light.

Anything is possible the only constant that we may ever rely on in this reality is change and weather that change is good or that change is bad is really of no matter it is change and it is this journey through it all good or bad and how we face it and use it that gives it that Y value.

I am thankful for all I do have and what I am and I am hoping we all can grow our own way no matter what challenges we face please know that we all collectively contribute not only to the solution but to the problem as well and no matter what is imposed upon the will of man history shows that one cannot kill an idea.
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SeaMonkey

Infringer,

You've given this much thought and have expressed
it well.

Quote from: Infringer
There are so many strings being pulled here behind the scenes that to accurately predict economics no matter how much you think you know or did know there is always the unknown.

Absolutely correct!  The whole monetary/economic system
is really nothing more than a massive illusion that is heavily
manipulated.  At least, those portions of it which are linked
to the IMF, the World Bank and the Federal Reserve.

SeaMonkey

Insightful political analysis of the situation in the Ukraine
and what it will mean in the coming months.

Contrary to what most Americans believe; the United
States is behind the turmoil.

SeaMonkey

The 911 disaster in New York City serves as a prelude
to what is yet to come.  Those who are in control of
the World Governments are deadly serious about
eliminating the "cattle" or the "insects."

How Israel was enabled to accomplish 911
.

*  The "cattle" and the "insects" are those who are
not among the "Chosen."