I see an economic diasater coming...

[the_big_m_in_ok]

  Win what for who?

Nothing for anyone.  I more than agree with the paragraph below.  Absolutely, yes.

I expect the economy to collapse in due course, and when it does, those American and NATO troops will be in 'dire straits', as it were, when most or all their home countries no longer have the wherewithal to provide support for them.  That's why "we can't win", no matter what.

Referring to the rest of the paragraph:
You're entirely correct in the gist.  American and world leaders have let down their constituents by poor economic and legal policies to the point that collapse is imminent.  No one country's government has lasted long, to this day.  They always begin and end, one way or another.  This country is no different.  It'll come.

I'm nobody great; I don't have the ability to influence people to think differently and allow them to save themselves.  I've seen in history where, usually, religious leaders like the Pharaoh Akhenaten tried to change the prevailing beliefs of his countrymen and was eventually rejected.  Anyone who thinks way differently than those around them and then voices their opinion often becomes a target for attacks.  Also, historically, the Mayan empire collapse from war, famine or both.  They all do.

What to do?  The best we can, given the circumstances?  Complaining, especially if one can prove their arguments convincingly, will often result in martyrdom.

As Cap-Z-ro said:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8835.msg231896;topicseen#msg231896
Pg. 4, Reply #46

I'll wait to see what happens.

--Lee

[giantkiller]

The U.S. population is on a train wreck with outnumbering the Social Security System. Everybody get your number right here! We already have a number anyway. The implant is on your property and flesh not your skin. Just like in Revelation.

Yellow stone is going to be detonated on June 10, 2010. Oh dear a national disaster. My what shall we do? Uncle Sam will help us, right? Never let a good commotion go unused... Muhahahah!

[triffid]

I have been checking out solar cell kits on ebay($170.00 for 108 solar cells)And found 144 solar cells for $150 from another buyer so thats enough for 7 solar panels at $47.71 per solar panel that still needs to be put together.So the basic cost for me would be $47.71 for the solar cells.Then diodes out of old tv's,radios,computers,and wire from old cords,extension cords too.Old outdoor paint from garage sales.Some pieces of wood I would want to buy if I couldn't salvage it.Not counting my time
I might be able to keep the total cost down around 60-65 dollars a panel.Not bad for solar panels that the powers that be are determined to make everybody keep paying a premium for the next hundred years.triffid

[triffid]

So if we assume 60 watts for each panel then 7 times 60watts equals 420 watts.For a cost of $420(if the panels cost $60.00 each).Thats 1 dollar per watt.triffid

[triffid]

So if we want to generate 3 kilowatts per hour.You need 50 solar panels on the roof
So 50 panels times $60.00 dollars equals $3000.Or $1500 if you want a 1.5 kilowatt system(25 panels).triffid