Scientist's/Engineers can you advise/help please?

[zerotensor]

P.S.  A common feature of many efficient electrolyzers seems to be a capacitor-like configuration of the electrodes;  I suspect that a strongly polarized electric field within the aqueous medium-- especially near the electrode surfaces--facilitates electrolysis.  The bigger the E-field, the better (up to a point) is my humble guess.  I am just guessing, tho-- all of my electrolysis experiments have been fairly crude and low-tech-- just a way to generate some H2 and 02 for fun.  (I made some liquid oxygen this way once, by feeding the oxygen stream into a test tube cooled with liquid nitrogen.  Liquid oxygen is blue, VERY chemically reactive, and floats in a magnetic field!)

[JimH]

Nice set!
(It was just a quick mock-up to see if it would work)

It should be hard to measure difference in gas production between continiously on, and your preferred on/off duty cycle pattern.
A sandwich bag placed over the top of the cell with an elastic band. See how low you need to fill it up. Don't pressurize, and be safe with sparks, of course. At your production rate now, a simple small plastic bag would do. I've seen a smarter setup with a tube and rising plastic bottle.
If you get more volume per second of "ON", you just may have something there. Next step would be to verify battery life each way,
(I'll try this)

of course.
Might the seemingly small difference in short OFF moments be due to the bubbles still underway to the surface?
(I had thought of this but have discounted it as the volume of gas is too great - I have tapped the sides for quicker release but it still takes the same time to drop off (over 5/6 sec) - definitely stored energy/charge in the inner core)

JimH

[JimH]

If turning it on and off will negativly influence the battery, that could easaly be solved by having two (or maybe even more!) systems at one battery. Switching between them would have the battery run continues and besides that it would also double the output (If the claim stands up)

This was my thoughts exactly - or even a larger/wider core (the core will outlive me by a few thousand years+) - I've been able on many occasions to achieve a capacitor type cell (stored spurious voltage) using closely packed S/S plates but this is the first time (I believe), I have managed to store usable Volts/amps? I was going to build a simple flipflop circuit to demonstrate ON/OFF or perhaps a car 12v flasher unit - I'll try whichever uses the least energy, as the circuit would also have to be included in any efficiency test.
JimH

[JimH]

Hi ,

It looks like electrolysis to me , did you measure the gas ?
(I'm a fair bit away from doing a test, but it is good - I want to maximise storage first, yeah, I know, time wise it could take forever  )

The real cool thing about HHO is that it works with GEET , much to discover still . It is like a free battery also . A resonant cell is difficult to achieve , but I am still trying .

GEET is an FE device on its own under the right circumstances . It does some pretty spectacular things .

see the progress @ ionizationx.com
(I'll definitely be having a look)
JimH

[JimH]

One of your electrodes is insulated?  Did I understand that right?  What is the insulation material?  I assume that there must be some submerged part of it which is not insulated, otherwise you wouldn't be pulling current...

Perhaps there is considerable capacitance between the rainwater medium and the insulated tube.  The insulation would be acting as the dielectric.  During the "off" cycles, the capacitor discharges its stored energy.  You might want to hook the cell up to an oscilloscope if you have one of those, and look for a decaying exponential during the "off" cycle.

Sorry about the mess of my replies they are all over the place - first time for a long time on a forum

The core is insulated inside the inner S/S tube, touching it's inner walls - one leg of the supply is forced through the inner core (it doesn't directly touch the tube inner wall), to complete the circuit - it is completely isolated from the water. The inner core has the ability to store neutrons.
I agree completely with your capacitor Like theory - but it would take one hell of a big capacitor to keep a cell producing for 6+ sec's after switch off, I think most of us have tried them and quickly discarded them.
JimH