Pauls Device; a damn shame he regrets revealing it.

[berferd]

I already showed you. Read it and think. I can't waste more time on this.

No, you did not show me.  You told me I was wrong and told me to fix my graph.

I provided a graphical representation of the gravitational and magnetic potential energy budgeting of the SMOT through a complete cycle, and I showed that it is not overunity.  My statements are consistent with known physics, and consider all relevant issues.

You refuse to admit that you raise the ball's magnetic potential as you pick it up from the "initial position" and place it at the "input to the device".  You tell me I'm wrong, and you tell me to fix my graph.

Please, act like a scientist, and not like a religious zealot.  You maintain the SMOT is overunity.  SHOW ME.  Show me the correct gravitational and magnetic potential energy budgeting over a complete cycle, and show me where I'm wrong.

[Omnibus]

Yeas, I did.

You have already been shown where your errors are. Read that thread carefully again and think. Start with your graph. For instance, notice that gravitational potential energy changes when moving the ball from C (?initial position? ? which is under the SMOT) to B (?input to the device?), unlike what your graph shows.

You don?t get this and never will. Give it up.

One wonders how people like you making such blatant mistakes dare teach others.

[berferd]

Yeas, I did.

You have already been shown where your errors are. Read that thread carefully again and think. Start with your graph. For instance, notice that gravitational potential energy changes when moving the ball from C (?initial position? ? which is under the SMOT) to B (?input to the device?), unlike what your graph shows.

You don?t get this and never will. Give it up.

One wonders how people like you making such blatant mistakes dare teach others.

You misread the graph.  The "input to the device is not "B".  The "input to the device" is "A", the top of the ramp is "B", and the point under the raised end of the ramp is "C" (what you're calling the "initial postion").  Please, reread the discussion I posted along with the graph.

When you pick up the ball from "C" and place it at "A", you are increasing the ball's magnetic potential, but you are *not* changing the ball's gravitational potential (the two points are at the same elevation).  You even agreed in a followup that the ball wouldn't cycle by itself the way I drew it.

If you maintain that my analysis is not correct, please provide an analysis that is.  Please provide a graph showing the gravitational and magnetic potential at each point in the cycle, and show me where the energy is coming from.

[Omnibus]

This is what you wrote:

Point A indicates the starting point of the ball at the bottom of the lower end of the ramp (Omnibus' "input"). Point B indicates the top of the ramp. Point C indicates the final position of the ball, at the original elevation but under the raised end of the ramp (Omnibus' "initial position", which is really a misnomer because it's not where the ball starts out).

Your graph, considering the above notation, is incorrect:

First, the experiment (each cycle) starts and ends at point C and not the way you have described it. The way you have described it the ball doesn?t close the loop when it?s moving.

Besides, it is not true that in moving from point C (?initial position? ? which is under the SMOT) to point A (?input to the device?) the gravitational energy doesn?t change. Unlike what you?ve indicated, the ball gains potential energy because it is raised from point C to point A. Point C (below the SMOT) and point A at the input of the SMOT are not at the same elevation. Also, it is not true that the magnetic potential energy increases from point C to point A. Point A is closer to the magnet than point C, therefore, it is just the opposite to what you?ve written.

Cut this out. You don?t understand it and never will. It?s just wasting of bandwidth on your side.

[_GonZo_]

Omnibus here is this machine simplified, see atachement,

A is a strong magnet
e is a iron ball atracted by the magnet (oes up the ramp due atraction of the magnet...)

When the ball arrives to B it droops from in the hole and goes down again by the ram below due gravity and starts again...

Please expalin me why it works or why it does not work.

Have in mind that Berferd is trying very hardly to explain about a exactily a machine like this.