Sort of funny thought

[Judges]

How was the standard set for watts= hp?

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By definition:

Horsepower (hp or HP or Hp) is the name of several non-SI units of power. It was originally defined to allow the output of steam engines to be measured and compared with the power output of draft horses. The horsepower was widely adopted to measure the output of piston engines, turbines, electric motors and other machinery. Different regions adopted different definitions of the unit. Most countries now use the SI unit watt (and its multiples) for measurement of power.

The definition of a horsepower unit is different in different applications; application outside of the context of a particular definition will be inaccurate.

    * One mechanical horsepower of 550 foot-pounds per second is equivalent to 745.7 watts.
    * A metric horsepower of 75 kgf-m per second is equivalent to 735.499 watts.
    * A boiler horsepower is used for rating steam boilers and is equivalent to 34.5 pounds of water evaporated per hour at 212 degrees Fahrenheit, or 9,809.5 watts.
    * One horsepower for rating electric motors is equal to 746 watts.
    * A Pferdestärke is a name for a group of similar power measurements used in Germany around the end of the 19th century, all of about one metric horsepower in size.[1][2]
    * An RAC horsepower or British tax horsepower is an estimate based on several engine dimensions.

Where units of horsepower are used for marketing consumer products, often measurement methods are designed by advertisers to maximize the size of the number produced for any product, even if this may not reflect realistic capacity of the product to do work when used in normal conditions.

The last sentence says it all:
Horsepower=$$$$$$

j.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

actually the most efficient way to make electricity is to convert matter to electrical output. this is done with Betavoltaics. for size and power ratios there is nothing better on a conventional basis, not even solar cells can compete against them. it is a direct matter to energy conversion using simple Beta- Decay of an Isotope.

and there is no mechanical moving parts, no sound, no whirring no thumping not even a humming, nothing, only nuclei decay of a neutron converted to a proton and an electron. the electron is ejected for potential energy. properly shielded and it is extremely safe, the only run down time is its half life, it will operate continuesly until all the Isotope is depleted, then there are daughter nuclei that could even keep the unit operating if the correct isotope is chosen.

I could run an electrical vehicle off of Betavoltages for hundreds of years with no recharge, no more gas stations, no water fuel, no ethanol, just electrons emitted from Betavoltaics. nice and quiet.

electric vehicles could be motorcycles, Cars, Trucks, Trains, Airplanes, Spaceships, Satellites, Spacestations and last but not least, your very own power grid to run everything in your house, Warehouse, industry.

do you know the little white electric racing car called the white zombie on you-tube, well with betavoltaic battries, he would never have to recharge between races and could drive the car decades or even hundreds of years continuously until his vehicle broke down from wear and tare.

Jerry

[mr_bojangles]

i think its funny that perpetual motion might not even imply either of the two

an OU device with no moving parts may not be considered PM, likewise, a PMM is generally not considered to be an OU device, and a moving OU device would be considered both

then again i guess they'r just words meaning "self runner" and "runs self, and a little more"

i would say most PM and OU devices are not self runners, because most need to be started by something, but then i remembered neither exist yet, at least that we know of

english language is way to complicated

[Doug1]

Well that sounds like a really screwed up way to measure anything. It sounds like there is no real standard just a willingness to compare things to a horse of unknown size breed or condition. With several variations for the item being compare to the imaginary horse to favor the item. The only standard seems to be to take advantage of the consumer.
  While all these are interesting.I was looking for a name and maybe a date of the person who first came up with this notion of comparing hp to watts. It is apparent that they also had to work with a bs system of measurement even back then.
   This explains a lot even if it is out of order.

[wattsup]

A former forum member @z_p_e had prepared for the members a method of determining OU and I saved a copy of his pdf file on my OU ftp site located here;

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Overunity.com%20-%20Forum%20members/z_p_e/

There are many other ways but it always will depend on the nature of the device being operated.

If it is battery run, then show two units, both with same load but one having the OU circuit in place and see how each battery voltage will react while both loads are taking the same watts. If the OU voltage stays the same while the other goes down, then it would be rather obvious.