another way to fight lorentz

[Airstriker]

I think you have just confused Lorentz law with Lenz law ;] We are talking about different things.
Have a look a this:

"Like all dynamos, the Faraday disc converts kinetic energy to electrical energy. However, unlike all other dynamos, this machine cannot be analysed using Faraday's own law of electromagnetic induction. This law (in its modern form) states that an electric current is induced in a closed electrical circuit when the magnetic flux enclosed by the circuit changes (in either magnitude or direction). However, the circuit in the Faraday disc is parallel to the magnetic field vector and therefore encloses no magnetic flux. Therefore, Faraday's law does not apply to this machine.

Instead, the Lorentz force law is used to explain the machine's behaviour. This law, discovered thirty years after Faraday's death, states that the force on an electron is proportional to the cross product of its velocity and the magnetic flux vector. In geometrical terms, this means that the force is at right-angles to both the velocity (azimuthal) and the magnetic flux (axial), which is therefore in a radial direction. The radial movement of the electron then creates an electric current between the centre of the disc and its rim."

This is a quotation from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator

So to sum this up - there is absolutely no drag here caused by any of this laws! Please read the provious paper I have posted and you will understand that ;]
So please don't use homopolar generators in your idea as this doesn't make sense ;]

[gravityblock]

I think you have just confused Lorentz law with Lenz law ;] We are talking about different things.  Have a look a this:

Instead, the Lorentz force law is used to explain the machine's behaviour. This law, discovered thirty years after Faraday's death, states that the force on an electron is proportional to the cross product of its velocity and the magnetic flux vector. In geometrical terms, this means that the force is at right-angles to both the velocity (azimuthal) and the magnetic flux (axial), which is therefore in a radial direction. The radial movement of the electron then creates an electric current between the centre of the disc and its rim."

So please don't use homopolar generators in your idea as this doesn't make sense ;]

It may not make sense to you, but it does make sense to others.  There is a counter torque in the HPG that is proportional to the voltage and current being taken off the disc.  Moving charges create a magnetic field.  This magnetic field from the moving charges is against the magnetic field that induced the moving charges.

Lorenz force law explains the EMF produced in the HPG.  Lenz law explains the force against the EMF produced by lorenz.  You're the one who is confused.  Both laws apply here.  Lorenz and Lenz are not friends.  There is more than one force involved here, thus more than one law to take into consideration.


GB

[mr_bojangles]

apologies on non-specific dialogue, i tend to repeat and use terms of whomever i'm responding to so there is no confusion even if the term might be mixed up, i assumed you weren't aware of the distinction and for ease was using "lenz drag" as a general term of the combined forces of lorentz as well as lenz law, because like GB said you can't really have one without the other as both terms are used to describe similar situations, just different aspects of it

well, if you believe that HPG's are not subject to these forces, then wouldn't you want me to use them? you say not to use them, and also no lenz drag applies, i don't have to believe it but following your logic, isn't it logical i would then use and HPG vs. a conventional multi-pole system that would be subject to the negative forces?

[Airstriker]

Ok maybe I was wrong (I still need to think of it a bit longer) but anyway there is no sense in using HPGs here. Here is why... HPGs require relative motion between the circuit and the disc under magnetic field inflence or just relative motion between circuit and the rotating magnet (without using additional disc). So where and how would you like to apply the brushes (to the magnet or disc ?) to make your idea work ? If it's the magnet than you don't need a disc. If it's the disc than you don't have any movement between the circuit and the disc (as you plan to always keep it upright). Any other possibilities to get some voltage between the brushes ?

[mr_bojangles]

So where and how would you like to apply the brushes (to the magnet or disc ?) to make your idea work ? If it's the magnet than you don't need a disc. If it's the disc than you don't have any movement between the circuit and the disc (as you plan to always keep it upright). Any other possibilities to get some voltage between the brushes ?

keeping it upright is key, on the horseshoe version, brushes would be attached to the same mechanism that keeps the magnets upright, thus the relative rotation of the disc to the magnet would induce on the brushes

one would be on the outer rim, the other being the axle of the disc, both brushes fixed on "upright mechanism"

ive said this from the beginning, the original wasn't supposed to be an HPG but that is irrelevent, the key part is the misdirection of the countertorque into another medium that we do not have to account for energy wise