New Magnetic Motor Principal?

[lumen]

In this layout, the large magnets are 2 x 2 x .25 inches and the small disk is .75dia. x .25 thk in inches.

You can see the field direction and at the present position the center magnet is rotating CCW with a torque of .1 newton meter even though it is actually under a linear force to the right of .06 newtons.

The generated torque is able to raise the magnet to a position of higher energy by pulling itself further away from the attracting field.

The pivot center is 5.17 inches from the center of the disk magnet.

[gyulasun]

Now, if you notice the small flat wound electromagnet in the layout, you will see that the field applied is at a point where it is balanced in both push and pull to either magnet face. This means that the coil is not attracted to either magnet set and that is would just set there.

In fact however, it will rotate because it has an applied tendency to twist and this twist is transferred to the center pivot point to cause rotation.

As the coil moves through the field, the field is exactly the same so nothing is changing from the coils point of view. This means that when the current is released from the coil, it will be in the same field as when the current was applied. This means that nearly all the current applied to energize the coil, can be recovered when the field collapses, except for a small amount lost to resistance.

This concept produces a large amount of torque that could easily produce the required energy for self operation.

   

@lumen

I hope I figured out correctly the poles in your magnet setups and as an example I reedited your constant+torque+field2.jpg to show it in a more practically-looking way (for me at least  ) and I attached it here.

Please have a look at it if the poles are correctly drawn? I also indicated the inner and outer magnet sets in green circles.

In your above quoted text you write as if the coil would move?  I would think the coil is stationary and either the inner magnet set would turn anticlockwise on the inner disk and the outer magnet set would be also stationary or the inner magnet set would be stationary together with the coil too and the outer magnet set would turn clockwise, in both cases around the center red point.
Could you comment?

Thanks for the further drawings with the magnet sizes and the arrows.

rgds, Gyula

[lumen]

Yes, You are exactly correct!
The color adds a bit of detail in the design. You can have the magnets rotate as a set and that would make no difference in operation. In fact to increase power, you would add all 6 coils, one to each of the spaces.
In this design the coils would operate with a cycle of 30deg on time and 30deg off time.

[gyulasun]

Hi lumen,

Thanks for the answer, now is it better to say the flux moves around the coil once the coil is stationary.

I have worried till now on the terribly strong radial repel force between two facing inner and outer magnets (they are N-N and S-S when just facing) because this would mean the design has strong 'sticky' point but it occurred to me soon the other magnet pair diametrically on the opposite side of the setup just counter balances this huge repel force with a more or less similar repel force, so basically just a small cogging / bumping effect should be experienced in practice if there are small differences in the individual magnet flux strengths. Unfortunately, the more difference there are between the magnet strengths, the more input power will be needed to operate this motor, (i.e. to help go the rotor through the sticky points)  and the higher will be the cogging effect.  Agree?

I think you may have thought of using air core coils, maybe in pancake shape and yes I also agree with using six of them in this setup shown. Though in this symmetrical case with the six coils, maybe soft iron cores could also be used in the coils, they would not increase cogging but a little. The position of the coils insures this design makes use of both poles of a pulse coil, not all pulse motor utilizes this torque increasing possibility and this comes at no input power cost.

Maybe you have managed to build a prototype already, I wonder.
What COP do you think this setup may have, can it be judged theoritically?
I do guess it depends on the permanent magnets type and size and also on the distance (air gap) between the inner and outer magnet sets.
If you do not agree with any of my reasonings please tell.

rgds, Gyula

[lumen]

All the inner magnets should all be the same and all the outer magnets should be the same, with the outer about 1/3 thicker than the inner. This keeps the balanced field path in line with the coil location.

The advantage over a regular pulse motor is that the coil never fights the field. The field is the same when the coil is energized as it is when it is released so virtually all the power used can be reclaimed when running at a resonate RPM. Additional load on the rotor could never increase the current draw!

Think if the coil was actually another magnet that could pivot on an axis in line with the field lines, and was rotated 90 degrees as it passed through the other magnets, then back again after it passes the magnet pairs.

This pivoting magnet may require just a bit to rotate it 90 degrees but this could be recovered when it rotates back because the field is the same.

This would now operate totally by itself! Without any power!

This is just to easy to make work!