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Overunity Machines Forum



Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

Started by JackH, March 10, 2006, 11:58:55 PM

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Hi, I simply increased the wattage until all the flux lines from the magnet were directed to the side bar, decresing the wattage simply lets some of the flux escape down the iron sleeve. If you notice, the flux density is similar in the iron sleeve and the magnet.

Jack I believe is using befilar wound coils if I remember correctly, I don't know if thats possible in FEMM to simulate. At any rate bifilar coils would give same effect for less watts.

Edit.

Okay I tried it with 8 Watts. with magnet = 751 Newtons,
magnet replaced with iron = 748 Newtons.


I'm almost regreting posting the sims as I get the feeling this doesn't represent the real life situation at all.   



Honk

No, I don't think he is using Bifilar yet.
The 8 watts he's speaking of is from unifilar winding.
He did ask about bifilar windning a while ago, but he had to see if it could
help him in his design.

But he is using a completly sealed magnet jacket. Maybe this helps
the fluxlines to short out when not powered up?
The best way for Jack is to machine a piece of iron as replacement in his valve.
Just as you mentioned it. This will give him accurate results.

Myself I winded 1 Unifilar and 1 Bifilar coil and tested their strength at 1 Amp.
They used the same bobin and wire size and the same number of turns.
But the Bifilar coil was not stronger than the Unifilar. Strange!
I believe that the bifilar winding has to be done exactly as Tesla did it.
This meaning that you have to wind every dual layer turn on top of the last.
The best and easiest way to do  this is to use flat enamelled copper foil.
I intend to try this once I get some flat enamelled copper foil.
Magnet Power equals Clean Power

Honk

Quote from: JackH on February 05, 2007, 11:41:24 AM
Hay I have a question.   I have a valve made out of a three inch magnet, now this valve will pickup and hold 3,524 lbs when inergized with only 10 Watts.  I have tested it at a feed store at 3,100 lbs.   It totally turns loose of the load when the power is turned off.

A quick question.
By 3,524 lbs do you mean heavy 3524 lbs or is it 3.524 light weight pounds?

I did a crude test at 10W using an old permanent magnet I got from an old TV as young.
The weight it could hold was approx 62 lbs.
You can see the stuff I used at the attached picture.

Regards / Honk
Magnet Power equals Clean Power

JackH


Honk

But isn't this the wrong way to compare your magnet valve to a plain electro magnet?
A fair comparison should have a soild ironblock in the core.
Elseway we will not know the difference between your fine magnet valve and the plain electro magnet.
I thought the idea was to see the gain in your valve compaired to the best plain electro magnet.

Earlier you mentioned that N48 took 8 watts to equalize.
Is 10W for N48 the right number?

Last question but very interesting.
Why should a strong electromagnetic field de-energize the permanent magnet
when they are directed the same way? That does not make sense?
If this is the case then the magnets in your motors should get de-energized when you
load down your motors beyond the 10W the valve needs?
You told me earlier that more power was reguired by the valve when you run
your great motors at high loads. This should then have de-energized the valves.....
If the electro magnet field was reverse compaired to the magnet then I can
understand that the magnet would get de-energized. But not when being directed the same way. (Or am I wrong)
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