Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

[Honk]

Thank you very much for a fast and great answer.

Do you know how to wind a coil to achieve strong magnetic fields at low inductance?

There are numerous ways to wind coils, but which one is best when I want low
inductance but strong fields?

[Honk]

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[gyulasun]

Yes, but all we are interested in is if this valve has a use. Think about it, If we can build an electromagnet(using the same power to the coils as the valve) of the same dimensions as the valve  and get the same effect, the valve is not more efficient than an electromagnet. in which case overunity is highly unlikely.

Hi Albert,

Why cannot you understand that in Jack's valve the flux from the permanent magnet is added to the flux from the electromagnet? And if you accept the fact that Jack figured out how much input power is needed for the electromagnet in his valve to quasi double the flux of the built-in permanent magnet you realize that it is just about 8W input that is needed for him in that valve, considering the grade and size of his Neo magnet, the cross section of his full magnetic path etc.  Jack achieved this in practice and not by a 2-dimensional simulator, ok?  And if you wish to eliminate the permanent magnet from his valve then you simply build a normal electromagnet (being all the other data/dimentions are maintained) and you will never receive the double flux field in PRACTICE, ok?
So this valve is not about using a permanent magnet together with an electromagnet completely superfluously.

In other words, imagine you have an electromagnet, and you remove a portion of the core and replace it with a magnet, and then find it functions exactly the same as before with no increase in efficiency or useability, why would you bother to insert the magnet.  What I'm interested in is, if what has been shown in the sims is also true in real life.

Please read my previous letter to you from yesterday and try to understand it, no use if I repeat it again. You seem to ignore what I wrote or asked.
EVEN Your own simulations show an increase in force (your Picture 1 and 3) so the summing up of the two fluxes is justified by your simulator too. If you understand the flux additions done by the parallel path technique then the SAME happens in Jack's valve but in a completely different mechanical setup.

Regards

Gyula

[JackH]

Hello All,

[acp]

Hi gyulasun,

Why cannot you understand that in Jack's valve the flux from the permanent magnet is added to the flux from the electromagnet?

I do understand this. My point is that the same effect is achieved with a block of iron replacing the magnet( at least in the sims).

And if you wish to eliminate the permanent magnet from his valve then you simply build a normal electromagnet (being all the other data/dimentions are maintained) and you will never receive the double flux field in PRACTICE, ok?

Ah, are you so sure about this? the simulation shows exactly that in pic2( with the magnet replaced with a block of iron, and same coil and electric input), that is why I'm so interested if that is the case in real life.   Doesn't it bother you that a block of iron does the same job as the magnet? just build the valve with a block of iron instead of the magnet, after all, iron is cheaper than magnets,    oh, but then we would have a simple electromagnet that produces the same force from the same electro input then and not a magnetic valve........ when you look at it this way you can see that overunity is not going to be possible.

I look forward to seeing published results of an independent test of Jack's motor.



Thanks for taking the time to try and put your point across Gyula, however, I believe you and I think in very different ways, and until I see a test of the valve with the magnet replaced with a block of iron, then I think the idea is flawed.

regards

Albert