Joule Thief 101

[wattsup]

@poynt99

Too little too late.

@MH

I think you should do like Ben Franklin and just go fly a kite. Preferably in an ideal thunder cloud using an ideal copper string and key.

You said it yourself. Ideal or 0.0000000000000000001 will not make a difference.

You are so wrong and basically a total waste of time. The former cost 150 needless pages, the later could have been done in 2 and we would already be back to discussing the JT. Remember the JT, so simple but you managed to turn this thread into a low rate horror movie. Not me, you and your ego-maniacal EE bullshit on an OU forum.

Your little mind cannot figure out why the question of "is using ideal voltage and ideal coil in the same question appropriate or not" is your problem not ours, but you seem to insist on shoving your EE Kool-Aid no mater what the taste is. That is your own problem an not ours and once you have realized you could have used so many other means to convey your same "little message", then you will have become better otherwise in the next ten years, you will not have advanced one inch.

You are like a low rate salesman trying to sell fly swatters to Eskimos. You will do whatever is necessary to make that sale. No matter what. I see in your attempt this desperate need to be right at all cost even though you know deep  down this is all bullshit disguised as an @MH EE Lesson. So let's see what you did to this thread.

So you on this thread you have swung around Mrs. Wine Glass, Joe Car Speed and Mr. Ideal Voltage and his possible concubine Miss Ideal Coil. All four cost how many pages of WHAT? Then you float around Handy Push Cart and company and you just keep it coming one after the other.

Now just for the record I just notice you responded to my last post. I did not see it earlier because of all these pages just add up like leaves falling in an autumn breeze. One after the other and each page adding up to another zero.

And you, after all this have the gal to call me out. You have to be one hell of a demented bastard to stoop so low. That post I did started off by saying what? Pee brain, let's see....

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"As the EE World Turns............... just for the fun of it let's play around."
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First off I was only pointing out the irony of all this discussion. The irony of you with one big mouth acting like Leghorn Foghorn. Look that up on youtube.

If Aliens landed in your backyard and invited you into their spaceship, and you with your eyes wide open started talking about EE, asking "where is the resistance, inductance, capacitance, voltage, current in the function of all these systems?" they would just give you an angry stare and say "look, shut up, forget everything you have learned about your EE. This has nothing to do with your EE. When you have swiped your slate clean, we will return". If it was me, I would ask them "how are you manipulating those atoms to respond in unison" and they would pull a chair and say "sit down, we have some things to discuss". Maybe what you need is to brain-visit another planet once in a while and stop being the EE traffic cop always directing these threads in your one-way alleys. I told you EE is just so rudimentary it will never touch the object, it only floats around the surface skimming the effects while the real work is being done inside those atoms. That your EE cannot touch. That's where I am looking. Show me where in EE do they actually reserve one single page to discuss about the copper atom. After all that damn little furty critter is in 99% of everything that is EE and is also what has been paying your bills for the last 35 years. You just cannot look any deeper then your little formulas that say nothing and what is happening in the atomic nature of that great copper atom. And you want to teach how a coil works. Small fry.

You took an honest to goodness JT thread and turned it into a low rate horror movie. That's your forté. You did, not me. I had hopes for this thread but as usual you come around and spill EE acid on everything you touch until the subject becomes about you and how @members have to reach an EE ideal in order to advance. Advance to what? OU? Are you out of your mind or what? After 10 years of your EE, where is OU today? F98k all. Not one inch advanced not because of me, because of you. Who here is looking elsewhere? Not you..... me. And who are you chastising for looking elsewhere. Not you for being so brain lazy..... me. That's the reality, that's your reality, not mine.

You have no real ability to teach anything. All you do is stuff EE Kool-Aid down the throats of everyone here and wonder why people just choke. You are the sicky, not me. You need to straight up your presence on this forum, not me. You have no clue that Electrical Engineering has nothing to do with Overunity Engineering (OE). You just push your little formulas thinking they hold the truth when they actually say absolutely nothing about what is occurring in that coil. Nothing. You are like a doctor that measures body temperature, sweat level and excrement make-up and then says, "I know how a human body works". You don't get it do you and you never will.

So here is a very simple OE question for you. As the voltage rises and the current rises, in or out of phase, explain to us what is actually happening inside that coil at the atomic level and how this proves "current flow". Do not use any formulas because those are just convenient deviations from the actual events occurring in that coil. Hint: The answer is not "it just does", even though all your measurements will only ultimately give you that one answer. It just does is not the right answer. Now when you can answer that and when that answer, since it is at an atomic level then has to coincide with every other effect  in nature is also right, then you are on the right track. So you have ten years to do that and then we will say you have advanced during the last ten years. That is if you set aside your EE flagelations on everyone here and really start using your brain.

wattsup

[tinman]

You do not stand a chance of answering the easy question or the harder question and you bluffed and evaded the easy question when I told you to substitute a real coil for the "problem" ideal coil.  You can stew in your juices and pretend that you are doing electronics as long as you want, I don't care.

That makes 36 times now.  The whole arc of this discussion going back a few months now when I decided to treat you as a normal person has been an endless series of complete fiascos, crazy mistakes, and the most ridiculous obstinate refusals from you to accept new ideas or unlearn your crazy ideas so you could advance and accomplish some good things and make good progress.

And how far have your theories taken us MH?--how much have we advanced over the last 20 years.
Wow-we have made things smaller and more compact. We have made computers a little bit faster.
We also still have the internal combustion engine
We also still have coal and gas fired powerstations
We now have motor vehicles that are that complicated,fixing them on the side of the road is now impossible.
All told that it makes for better fuel economy  --horse shit. I had carby cars(no fuel injection),and points(no electronic ignition),and got just as good a fuel economy as any of the cars today.

Your wonderful books cant even cure the common cold,and have taken us no further than we were 20 years ago. In fact, i think we went backwards some where there.

You think everything we need to know will be found in your books--crap.
The answers we seek are in none of your books,or indoctrination.

Just stand back,and have a look at where you are MH,and where your books have taken you.

I know where i want to be,and it isnt found in your books.

You know all those UFOs sighted throughout the world,doing there little maneuvers that our physics believe are impossible--i bet you think there aliens-right?.
Well that may have been the case 60 years ago,but i bet it aint aliens flying them around anymore   Where is your book on that lot?

Here is a fact--you cant possibly know what happens when you place an ideal voltage across superconducting wire--and that is what your ideal coil would have to be wound with to have no resistance. How can you know that that superconductive wire is not going to store all of the induced magnetic field within it,instead of it protruding the outer perimeter of the wire. If that one thing happens--if the produced magnetic field is contained within that superconducting wire,then bye bye inductor--you do not have one.

All your theories could hinge on that one fact,and could all fall apart if what i stated happened.
You are taking a wild guess that the ideal coil,and all that is associated with it,act much the same as a non ideal coil.


Brad

[tinman]

MH, Mags, tinman,

Why are you guys badgering each other like this?

All three of you know very well what an ideal voltage source is (and you know each other does as well), and mags/Brad, you know full well what MH means in his question and/or his posts when he says the voltage source varies.



So please stop this pages and pages of nonsense, and get on with some productive discussions.

To be clear, he does not mean that it varies from its set value over time, he means it is one value for time x, and another value for time y.

Well lets hope he can make that clear,and provide an answer to his original question,instead of going on with a different question-like the example he gave us.

The one thing i will not sit back and let fly,is his ongoing name calling ,degrading comments about me--and i dont give two hoots who tells me to settle down.

You know darn well i left it all alone Poynt,but MH kept dragging my name into his deluded ramblings. Perhaps you should take the time to read this thread,and have a look at the profanities he aimed at me,and see if i responded with the same sort of sick replies--you will not find one.

I have taken as much crap from him as i can,and that's that.
From now on,he gets what he gives--although i will leave out the profanities he has posted toward me.


Brad

[tinman]

And here is some more info for you MH

The top gun EE guys here on this forum,all believe in one OU device--the TPU.
So these EE guys you think are those that stick strictly to the books,well bad news for you.

Here is a real shocker for you '
One of them has witnessed first hand a self running magnet motor--hows that for a hoot--how are your books going to sort that one out.
And no ,i am not going to put up names--so dont ask. But those EE guys here know that i speak the truth about what i just told you.

We are on a forum that is researching overunity devices,and how to achieve such a device.

Everything you have is just theory,and theory is not fact--it's a best guess on observations so far.

Perhaps if you spent more time looking for the unknown,you wouldnt be sitting here racing shopping carts around the super market.

I tried to show you how resonance can and dose increase efficiency and power from internal combustion engines,and what did you do after i stated that?--you went straight into !it's bullshit! mode,only later to say--i dont know that much about ICEs. This is the way you work,and you need to change. See everything with an open mind,and listen before you make judgments on what others say and tell you.


Brad

[tinman]

@poynt99

Too little too late.

@MH

I think you should do like Ben Franklin and just go fly a kite. Preferably in an ideal thunder cloud using an ideal copper string and key.

You said it yourself. Ideal or 0.0000000000000000001 will not make a difference.

You are so wrong and basically a total waste of time. The former cost 150 needless pages, the later could have been done in 2 and we would already be back to discussing the JT. Remember the JT, so simple but you managed to turn this thread into a low rate horror movie. Not me, you and your ego-maniacal EE bullshit on an OU forum.

Your little mind cannot figure out why the question of "is using ideal voltage and ideal coil in the same question appropriate or not" is your problem not ours, but you seem to insist on shoving your EE Kool-Aid no mater what the taste is. That is your own problem an not ours and once you have realized you could have used so many other means to convey your same "little message", then you will have become better otherwise in the next ten years, you will not have advanced one inch.

You are like a low rate salesman trying to sell fly swatters to Eskimos. You will do whatever is necessary to make that sale. No matter what. I see in your attempt this desperate need to be right at all cost even though you know deep  down this is all bullshit disguised as an @MH EE Lesson. So let's see what you did to this thread.

So you on this thread you have swung around Mrs. Wine Glass, Joe Car Speed and Mr. Ideal Voltage and his possible concubine Miss Ideal Coil. All four cost how many pages of WHAT? Then you float around Handy Push Cart and company and you just keep it coming one after the other.

Now just for the record I just notice you responded to my last post. I did not see it earlier because of all these pages just add up like leaves falling in an autumn breeze. One after the other and each page adding up to another zero.

And you, after all this have the gal to call me out. You have to be one hell of a demented bastard to stoop so low. That post I did started off by saying what? Pee brain, let's see....

Quote
"As the EE World Turns............... just for the fun of it let's play around."
Unquote

First off I was only pointing out the irony of all this discussion. The irony of you with one big mouth acting like Leghorn Foghorn. Look that up on youtube.

If Aliens landed in your backyard and invited you into their spaceship, and you with your eyes wide open started talking about EE, asking "where is the resistance, inductance, capacitance, voltage, current in the function of all these systems?" they would just give you an angry stare and say "look, shut up, forget everything you have learned about your EE. This has nothing to do with your EE. When you have swiped your slate clean, we will return". If it was me, I would ask them "how are you manipulating those atoms to respond in unison" and they would pull a chair and say "sit down, we have some things to discuss". Maybe what you need is to brain-visit another planet once in a while and stop being the EE traffic cop always directing these threads in your one-way alleys. I told you EE is just so rudimentary it will never touch the object, it only floats around the surface skimming the effects while the real work is being done inside those atoms. That your EE cannot touch. That's where I am looking. Show me where in EE do they actually reserve one single page to discuss about the copper atom. After all that damn little furty critter is in 99% of everything that is EE and is also what has been paying your bills for the last 35 years. You just cannot look any deeper then your little formulas that say nothing and what is happening in the atomic nature of that great copper atom. And you want to teach how a coil works. Small fry.

You took an honest to goodness JT thread and turned it into a low rate horror movie. That's your forté. You did, not me. I had hopes for this thread but as usual you come around and spill EE acid on everything you touch until the subject becomes about you and how @members have to reach an EE ideal in order to advance. Advance to what? OU? Are you out of your mind or what? After 10 years of your EE, where is OU today? F98k all. Not one inch advanced not because of me, because of you. Who here is looking elsewhere? Not you..... me. And who are you chastising for looking elsewhere. Not you for being so brain lazy..... me. That's the reality, that's your reality, not mine.

You have no real ability to teach anything. All you do is stuff EE Kool-Aid down the throats of everyone here and wonder why people just choke. You are the sicky, not me. You need to straight up your presence on this forum, not me. You have no clue that Electrical Engineering has nothing to do with Overunity Engineering (OE). You just push your little formulas thinking they hold the truth when they actually say absolutely nothing about what is occurring in that coil. Nothing. You are like a doctor that measures body temperature, sweat level and excrement make-up and then says, "I know how a human body works". You don't get it do you and you never will.

So here is a very simple OE question for you. As the voltage rises and the current rises, in or out of phase, explain to us what is actually happening inside that coil at the atomic level and how this proves "current flow". Do not use any formulas because those are just convenient deviations from the actual events occurring in that coil. Hint: The answer is not "it just does", even though all your measurements will only ultimately give you that one answer. It just does is not the right answer. Now when you can answer that and when that answer, since it is at an atomic level then has to coincide with every other effect  in nature is also right, then you are on the right track. So you have ten years to do that and then we will say you have advanced during the last ten years. That is if you set aside your EE flagelations on everyone here and really start using your brain.

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