Joule Thief 101

[tinman]

Well
since Mags point that everything gets buried in a thread where MH plants himself is the one truth the stands the test of time
I can't find his initial "ICE and engines don't use resonance BS" statements [with a thousand variants since honed to other meanings]

here is the simplest which any loud moth Putz should know

cavity resonance engine design

THE BUZZ BOMB


Ignition of the Argus pulsejet was accomplished using an automotive type spark plug located about 76 cm (2.49 ft) behind the intake shutters, with current supplied from a portable starting unit. Three air nozzles in the front of the pulsejet were at the same time connected to an external high-pressure air source that was used to start the engine. Acetylene gas was typically used for starting the engine, and very often a panel of wood or similar material was held across the end of the tailpipe to prevent the fuel from diffusing and escaping before ignition.The V-1 was fuelled by 625 l (165 US gal) of 75 octane gasoline.

Once the engine had been started and the temperature had risen to the minimum operating level, the external air hose and connectors were removed and the engine's resonant design kept it firing without any further need for the electrical ignition system, which was used only to ignite the engine when starting.

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then Johan shares a 2 stroke which works on creating huge output based on similar [cavity resonance and a huge standing wave]
it is not an ancillary resonant system it is a complete resonant design.
which generates a Huge standing wave or ....simply doesn't work

creating this resonant standing wave between the carb intake and the tailpipe end is the holy grail of the design in its entirety .

3 to 4 HP per cubic inch

stop with your moving the goal posts MH
you were completely wrong in your initial statement about resonance and ICE engine design

you outright stated that resonance plays no Part in ICE designs .

WRONG

don't keep pointing to others... Look at what you said

YOU ARE WRONG ...PERIOD

just like you are completely wrong about your Intimations here that Brad and Smokey are Guru Posers
and clueless about resonance and many other things you try to say

stick to what you know.... you are good at that .

but please stop commenting on things which you are clueless about .

and resonance in mass and how it may effect  energy harvesting is NOT YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE !!
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS

ZILCH

but that does not stop you from calling people that do seek anomalies in resonance or resonant Mass
posers and frauds and Nonsensical and Bs'ers  etc etc etc ad nauseum .

you know nothing about it ..just like your ignorant resonance and engines statement.
but yet you flap your lips with the greatest of ease...

you lost a lot of ground [credibility] in this thread so far.

grab your shovel MH I am quite certain you are not done pointing to others and digging that hole
but one thing I can assure you of

if I was lookin to change this world and seek new energy sources... your two targets here would be way ahead of you on most peoples short list of assets towards that goal.

and yes I know its very easy to throw stones at guys outside the Box

I watch you do it all the time.....

you self righteous PUTZ

Bow your head !!!!!!!

Post 512
Quote: Adjusting the timing of an ICE has absolutely nothing to do with resonance and there is no connection at all.

The connection here was that the timing has to be correct in both examples to gain maximum performance,energy conversion,and efficiency.

My reply to Mhs statement above was--If the timing is out on either,then in both cases you turn your fuel(energy)into heat,in sted of doing what it should be doing in each case.
You will see i did not mention resonance in an ICE at all,as i was refering to correct timing in each system.

MHs conversion process has now begun.
Quote post 514: No, an ICE doesn't resonate in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

Post 516.
MH now has invented the internal combustion sewing machine
Quote; Just because a mechanical device like an ICE or a sewing machine has all sorts of adjustments that are related to the cycle timing, it does not necessarily mean that said device "resonates."
Look, an ICE runs over a wide range of speeds does it not?  Meanwhile resonance happens at a single frequency.  When a sewing machine is sewing a seam is it resonating or is it simply sewing stitches at a certain operating frequency?  Note the sewing machine runs at variable speeds also.
The whole idea is simply wrong.

I have !as yet! not been able to find a resonant chamber on my wifes sewing machine.
Take note MH But as it turns out,the sewing machine dose indeed have,and can operate at a resonant frequency.
Care to call me out on this one MH?.

Post 519-quote MH : I did not compare an ICE to a sewing machine,
Quote above: Look, an ICE runs over a wide range of speeds does it not?Note the sewing machine runs at variable speeds also.


Post 519 again Quote: It's all moot because we are not talking about ICEs except to state that they have!! nothing!! to do with resonance.

Post 522
My quote--or the part MH decided to post,but forgetting the rest,as that go's against his cause here on this thread.
Quote: I would not think that MH could even grasp the fact that ICEs !do! operate best at resonant frequencies.
This is what MH used to try and imply that i was talking about the motor only. The fact that i clearly specify the word !frequencies! should have indicated that we were talking about multiple resonant frequencies within the ICE system as a whole,and not just one resonant frequency of the engine it self.
So here is the rest of the paragraph that MH decided to leave out,that was the rest of the information needed to define what i was referring to
Quote: If you ask him the reason for the large double cone shaped expansion chamber on a high performance two stroke engine,and what that has to do with the power band of the engine,he would be lost. He would not be able to explain as to how that !resonant! relationship between the expansion chamber of the exhaust and the engine actually sucks the exhaust gasses out of the cylinder at the right time,insuring that the cylinder is evacuated of all burnt fuels and gasses,and at the same time,draws in the next charge of fuel/air mix from the crankcase--there is a reason it is called the loop charge system.

Post 523 Quote MH: Well that's extremely curious considering that ICEs operate through a whole range of frequencies.  Just that fact renders your discussion moot.

A clear indication that MH has no idea as to what a power band curve is in a tuned two stroke engine.

Quote post 523: I will repeat, we are talking about electrical resonance, and there is indeed a 100% equivalent to that in the form of mechanical resonance, and that mechanical resonance has nothing whatsoever to do with an engine moving gasses around - nothing.
Do you get that?  There is true mechanical resonance and it has nothing whatsoever to do with tuning a gas engine and the operating parameters of an engine.  Nor are you going to change the definition of resonance to suit your fancy.  There will be no bait and switch when it comes to resonance.

I have not changed any definition of resonance. The examples given in regards to the two stroke ICE are by the physics definition of resonance.

MH also states time and time again,that no one has provided any such proof or working concepts that explain the resonant systems in an ICE.
Please see (way back) post 527.where i posted 3 link's ,along with brief explanations regarding the resonant systems of a 2 stroke ICE.

Post 540.
Here we get into what science,physics and engineering determine resonance as.

Quote MH: We are talking about electric circuits and the scientific and engineering definition of resonance.

Resonance: In physics, resonance is a phenomenon that occurs when a vibrating system or external force drives another system to oscillate with greater amplitude at a specific preferential frequency.
So what happens in a two stroke ICE.
The vibrating system,or the force that is external to the ICE itself,is the resonating exhaust and fuel  intake system. The other system that is oscillating is the piston, conrod,crankshaft system. All we need now is a greater amplitude at a preferential frequency caused by the first oscillating system-and we have that. At a certain RPM (the preferential frequency) the secondary oscillating system(the piston, conrod,and crankshaft system) are sent into !greater amplitude! (increase in HP in the second oscillating system). The resonant systems in an ICE in this case comply with the physics and mechanical definition of resonance.

MHs question--How dose a wine glass resonate.
One of my answer's,as there can be a few due to how MH asked the question.
By receiving pulses of energy at the correct !time!<--time MH) at it's natural resonant frequency.
MHs response-Quote: There, finally.  You clearly can't explain how a wine glass resonates
MH fails to understand that if the wine glass dose not receive pulses of energy timed correctly,and at the natural resonant frequency,the wine glass will stop resonating. If the wine glass dose not receive an initial energy pulse,it will not resonate at all.

MHs next comment on post 555
Now we get the full question
Quote: Here is my question in full:
How does a wine glass resonate?  How is the resonant frequency determined?
Now we have two different questions,that have two different answers.
Quote MH: So the whole discussion has been in vain because you don't even know what resonance is.
Odd coming from some one that has two different questions that he calls one question.
To top it off we get this-Quote:  man up and start communicating effectively and with purpose

Post 557 Quote: Says the man that can't explain what resonance is in a wine glass.  The discussion is over because it has all been in vain.  Go get some books and read them and learn and understand what resonance actually is.  You need to get to the point where you understand how a wine glass resonates.  Also work on your personal integrity with that farce of a response from you about the resonant frequency of a wine glass.
This is from some one who is !as of yet! to give an answer him self. 4 to 8 weeks

Post 580 Quote: Is that question asking you for specific values?  The answer no.  Now can you understand the question?
First MH wants to stick with the scientific definitions,and now he is happy with generic answers.
Webby picked up on this as well. Quote Webby: Firstly you require scientific or engineering answers,, and now you want a vague response

Post 616 from smOKy,also starting to see MHs ignorance as to what we are trying to achieve here.
-->the resonant frequency is determined, primarily, by a materials constant of the glass, the physical dimensions of the wine glass,
as well as the materials property (as a factor of density) of the  medium inside the glass. (water, oil, etc)
in a ferrite core, the "medium" outside the core dimensions, is that of the permeability of air.
When all factors are accounted for, you will see that these two examples are rather synonymous.
Now - what happens to the resonance of the glass, when your finger-vibrations are sporadic?
or are caused to be interfering with the frequency of the wine glass?
the glass does not resonate as intensely, does it?
This is the same as switching a JT , in an incoherently digital manner.
I know you "get it"... you cannot "not get it" at this point in the discussion.....
Why, then, do you insist on propagating this "apparently" ignorant viewpoint?
Is it just for the fun of conflict? Do you want to deter this line of thinking for some other goal?
or is it that you are truly that indoctrinated, that you cannot allow yourself to see what is right in front of you?

Here is the one i love most. MH has really put him self on the firing line here.
He is about to show us his smarts.

Post 633 Quote: How do you determine the maximum speed of your car in simple terms?
The answer is the maximum speed of the car is determined from where the maximum horsepower that can be output by the engine is in balance with all of the air friction and various other friction forces.
Here we have MH making only reference to horse power and frictional forces. This is enough for him to determine the top speed of the car
The fact here is,he has missed one major value that is needed in order to make any sort of determination as to the cars top speed.
I have now asked him on several occasions to tell us what that missing value is--->i have had no response so far,and so,i must conclude that he dose not know,and that he cannot infact determine the top speed of the car as claimed.

So there you have it Chet--the short version of what has happened to this thread.

Brad

[MileHigh]

Brad:

What is resonance in scientific terms.
Quote:In physics, resonance is a phenomenon that occurs when a vibrating system or external force drives another system to oscillate with greater amplitude at a specific preferential frequency.
Apparently this dose not fit in with MHs terms and conditions for resonance--but too bad.

All that definition does is describe an attribute of resonance.  It has very limited scope.  It doesn't even touch what the two wine glass questions are all about.  So, to answer those two questions you have to go deeper and truly understand what resonance is and how it works for the wine glass.

MileHigh

[Johan_1955]

More crazy.

Lost trac with you, like most others, and pity you the most with yourself!

Spoon feeding, aloud or not, a dancing Goal & Laws!

Where is you back mate, name .............. marcy, meckye ............ sorry age!

Talking about: Disorders, you don't recognise them in front of the mirror.

Going to the circuit, with a: YZ250, Pirate & Minnie, Welcome here!!

[MileHigh]

Brad:

The fact here is,he has missed one major value that is needed in order to make any sort of determination as to the cars top speed.
I have now asked him on several occasions to tell us what that missing value is--->i have had no response so far,and so,i must conclude that he dose not know,and that he cannot infact determine the top speed of the car as claimed.

I already told you that as far as I am concerned that whatever it is that you are holding back may actually be nonsensical.  I also told you that we are talking about a supposed "Joule Thief in resonance" and the true scientific and engineering definition of resonance.

The simple fact is that I don't care about the issue of determining the top speed of the car and any possible missing piece of information.  I really do not care, it has nothing to do with the thread.  It was just a "learning tool" for you so that you could see that you could answer questions with concepts only, and not with specifics.  It's me bending over ass-backwards in an attempt to communicate with you.

The rest of that posting is just plain silly as far as I am concerned.  It's a mish-mash rehash that has no value.

MileHigh

[tinman]

Hey All,I am going to respond to Aaron's kicking me off of the forum, but I promise you that I am not championing a cause or anything.  Just closing the loop.Aaron:  You are so paralyized by fear that it is bad for your mental health.  Anytime anybody has tried to correct you, the proper usage of your scope comes to mind right away, you instantly go on the defensive and will go to almost any length to feign that you were not wrong.  Even when it is very obvious, you stick to your story.  I am telling you, there is something wrong there.  You try to stick to what you think is right, and the proper information almost has to be pounded into your head before you will accept it.  You are acting like a petty despot dictator that is "infallable."  Instead of trying to assimilate the opinions of others that are often more knowledable than you with respect to electronic circuits, you create a shield of defensiveness and hostility around yourself.  The easiest way out when you can't respond to questions to defend your point is to call the other person an idiot.  You are the author of your own misery.You are afraid to admit that you are wrong, Aaron.  You are afraid to demonstrate a willingness to learn from the "other side" and at least give the new information some thought and consideration.  You paint yourself into a corner and are afraid to step on the fresh paint.  To you the fresh paint looks like burning coals.  Why?  WHY?The sroryline of the thread has been like a bad C-grade science fiction movie at times over the past few weeks.  You run like a crazy person from spike to spike to resonance to oscillation, to diode to no diode like a chicken with its head cut off.  Every time you find a new fixation you can sense the tension in the air lest someone disagree with you.Your abject fear makes you make "Twilight Zone" statements like .99, myself, TK, Hoppy, and others are "not qualified" when any person reading the forum would CLEARLY SEE that we do know what we are talking about.  This is such a disconnect from reality that I question your overall makeup as a person.  You are a powder keg of cognitive dissonance.  What the f*ck is going on with you?  On top of that, ANY person with a solid electronics or engineering background could read your postings and look at your clips and quickly come to the realization that you are just slightly past the beginner stage when it comes to electronics.  They would also notice that you are prone to making grand statements about things that you may know the buzz words for, but in fact barely understand what they really mean.  Your pronouncements about various aspects of the circuit are mostly incorrect, and it is beyond me how you make these leaps of faith and continuously push the envelope with respect to your true capabilities.You deleted my last few comments and for all I know you are on a rampage deleting everything else.  You need to chill out and take it easy.  You also need to decide if you are going to up your electronics skills by reading a book or taking a few courses and start trying to engage with people and try to learn from them, or forever be this tragi-comic character pushing the latest electronic "free energy" circuit like some uneducated goon.I am going to do a copy paste of your big posting with your litany of complaints and that will be it.  Let the discussion continue as time progresses.  You can't play the big mean boss anymore threatening to pull the plug anymore and there is nothing that you can do to stop the crosspolination between threads so enjoy the ride.  You are in for a shock when the results come in, it is starting to look a bit like a Sterling-Mylow road show.  Guess whose shoes you fit in?MileHighFrom Wikipedia:Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The "ideas" or "cognitions" in question may include attitudes and beliefs, the awareness of one's behavior, and facts. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors.[1] Cognitive dissonance theory is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.Dissonance normally occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency among his or her cognitions. This happens when one idea implies the opposite of another. For example, a belief in animal rights could be interpreted as inconsistent with eating meat or wearing fur. Noticing the contradiction would lead to dissonance, which could be experienced as anxiety, guilt, shame, anger, embarrassment, stress, and other negative emotional states. When people's ideas are consistent with each other, they are in a state of harmony, or consonance. If cognitions are unrelated, they are categorized as irrelevant to each other and do not lead to dissonance.A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would likely reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of disconfirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.

Do not be sad or feel any guilt at all for being kicked of Aaron the rookies forum. Any time you try and correct him,he simply shut's you down--much like MH dose here,only he cant shut you down,so he resorts to other tactic's-like trying to discredit you by way of deception.

Anything you say that would go against Aaron the rookie making a buck through book and DVD sales,will soon take you into the realm of the forbidden. His(and Lindermanns)books are all just junk. The books full of secrets that just are not there. The books that will deliver the answer to OverUnity pulse motors--that no one to this date has ever been able to replicate.

Aaron is a dictator -period.
You either believe what he say's,or your out.
Do not dare have any thoughts of your own,unless they agree with his.

I got the same treatment when i debunked UFOpolotics bogus OU motor bullshit.
But Aaron seen dollar signs flashing by,and so i was ejected.
This was after i posted several video's showing DUFO's ballsed up prony brake test-at great expense to my self,in way of costs to buy all the needed measuring equipment,and materials to build an accurate pronybrake machine.

Never prove anything wrong over there at Energetic that might lace Aarons pocket with a few more dollars.

Brad