Joule Thief 101

[tinman]

 author=MileHigh link=topic=8341.msg482798#msg482798 date=1462246196]
Forget about the coil question it's irrelevant.

Quote No Brad, you didn't "wipe the floor" with me regarding resonant systems but we all learned that you clearly have a psychological compulsion to believe that you did.  The simple fact is that you were unable to answer the two wine glass questions and you willingly accepted the challenge.  Therefore you had no understanding of what resonance really and truly is.  Hopefully now you know better.  However, your line about "resonance being an interaction between two systems not one" has been completely covered and it is completely ridiculous.  And of course you have a psychological compulsion to believe what you are saying is true.  So, you still might be stuck on this subject, and that's your issue to deal with.

Fact is MH, i was the one continually correcting you throughout this thread,and you cannot deneigh this,as the proof is in the thread it self.
I would like you to show us all here anyone other than your self,that claims an object can be in resonance with it self. When i say resonance is an interaction between two or more systems,i am absolutely  correct by the very scientific meaning of resonance. This means that i answered your questions correctly,and you actually got it wrong. You described oscillations of the wine glass at its natural resonant frequency,and not the wine glass resonating.

And that brings it back to the point I was making:  Wattsup wants to believe that he has stymied Picowatt and that is simply ridiculous.  Clearly that is now a non-starter.  So it's up to Wattsup to either stay on the same course or undertake to educate himself.  "Educate" is not a dirty world like it is sometimes bandied about on this forum.

The FBI is after John Rohner and I challenged John Rohner a few years ago and told him he was full of crap.  I did the same thing for Wayne Travis who is also under FBI investigation.  I reported GDS to the Canadian Anti-Fraud Center and to my dismay they told me due to limited resources he may manage to fly under the radar.

http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/index-eng.htm

Quote That's my fun.  Having a borderline-insane argument about resonance is not fun.

As long as you keep dragging  my name into arguments-coupled with the lies you keep adding with my name,then i will defend myself,and expose you for the liar you are.
You are not correct about your wine glass being in resonance when oscillating at it's  natural frequency-period. What you are doing is leading people astray-up your garden path that is full of dead flowers.

I was happy to leave it be MH,but i will not stand by and have you associate my name with your lies.

Now,answer your own question regarding the coil and voltage source
Bet you do not get it right.


Brad

[MileHigh]

<<< You described oscillations of the wine glass at its natural resonant frequency,and not the wine glass resonating. >>>

You have to have some serious psychological issues to say nonsense like that with a straight face and believe it.  The first and second parts of your sentence mean exactly the same thing.  Go back to Googling or even better go buy a book.  Your answers for the two wineglass questions were dead wrong and you are just going to have to believe that you were right.

Here is what the coil question was like:

You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys.  At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source.  For three seconds the voltage is 4 volts.  Then for the next two seconds the voltage is zero volts.  Then for two seconds the voltage is negative three volts, and then for the next six seconds the voltage is 0.5 volts.  Then after that the voltage is zero volts.

The question is what happens starting at t = 0 seconds and both of the forum members had no clue whatsoever how to answer the question, not the slightest.  And for people that may have been playing with coils for about 10 years each that is some seriously sobering food for thought.

<<< Bet you do not get it right. >>>

What a jackass comment that is.  You didn't even know what the question was going to be and you say that?   Is that like your insane argument that I was "wrong" about the wineglass questions because I did not discuss losses?

Unbelievable.

MileHigh

[tinman]

Here is what the coil question was like:



   

Unbelievable.

MileHigh

<<< You described oscillations of the wine glass at its natural resonant frequency,and not the wine glass resonating. >>>

You have to have some serious psychological issues to say nonsense like that with a straight face and believe it.  Go back to Googling or even better go buy a book.  Your answers for the two wineglass questions were dead wrong and you are just going to have to believe that you were right.

I think some one that believes that a wine glass will resonate on it's own,is the one that has the psychological issues-->or perhaps you have the only self running device on planet earth?.

You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys.  At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source.  For thee seconds the voltage is 4 volts.  Then for the next two seconds the voltage is zero volts.  Then for two seconds the voltage is negative three volts, and then for the next six seconds the voltage is 0.5 volts.  Then after that the voltage is zero volts.

The question is what happens starting at t = 0 seconds and both of the forum members had no clue whatsoever how to answer the question, not the slightest.  And for people that may have been playing with coils for about 10 years each that is some seriously sobering food for thought.

So what is the answer MH ?-->the complete answer?.
Should you not be able to answer your own questions accurately and completely ?.

<<< Bet you do not get it right. >>>

What a jackass comment that is.  You didn't even know what the question was going to be and you say that?

Well it couldnt be any worse than stating that an ICE has nothing what so ever to do with resonance-both internal and external resonant systems that exist within and around an ICE,only then later on(after proven wrong in both cases)to claim that you dont know that much about ICEs.
It couldnt be any worse than saying some one's idea of using a J/FET to achieve oscillations in a low voltage JT type circuit is non sensible,without actually knowing how the J/FET works.

Is that like your insane argument that I was "wrong" about the wineglass questions because I did not discuss losses?

Not only that,but you also missed out another major factor--the energy source-->the other half of a resonant system.
Your descriptions were also incorrect,as you have been told by many people now--stiffness is not elasticity-ETC.

You made very bold and decisive statements in this thread,and you had to be corrected on many occasions--like the ICE resonant systems,how a J/FET works-ETC.
Being able to define the difference between resonance and oscillation at an objects natural frequency is also not your strong point.

You had a need to be right throughout this thread,and that didnt quite work out for you that way.
But at least you know are full bottles on how resonant systems in and around ICEs can raise the efficiency of that ICE now,and you also now know what a J/FET is. In time,perhaps you will get a handle on the difference between natural frequency oscillation,and resonance


Brad

P.S--looking forward to your answer to your coil question.

[MileHigh]

You can wallow in your language and comprehension and technical understanding issues with respect to resonance, I don't give a damn.  I'm not asking you the coil question and I'm not answering the coil question.  Do whatever you want with the question, it's up to you.  Ironically, I'm not sure that you can answer it yourself.

ICEs and JFETs, wow.  You are a real "case" Brad and it was horrible and unreal "debating" with you.  So horrible and unreal that I doubt anybody will correct your mistakes, it's just not worth it.

[tinman]

You can wallow in your language and comprehension and technical understanding issues with respect to resonance, I don't give a damn.   

I'm not asking you the coil question and I'm not answering the coil question.

I will take that as--you cannot answer your own question. This means that you had not right to ask such a question to EMJ or Wattsup. Statements like-Quote: And there is the justification for me asking you the question that you couldn't answer about the circuit that consisted of a voltage source and one single component, a coil.  You talk the big talk like "pull yourself out from a hot potato" but you clearly still haven't mastered the basics of an Electronics 001 course. from some one who cannot answer the question them self is just plain stupid.

Do whatever you want with the question, it's up to you.  Ironically, I'm not sure that you can answer it yourself.

I did not ask the question--you did,and you have been wallowing in your own fluids ever since. It is time for you to show that you can answer your own question,as were all sick of hearing about how EMJ and Wattsup couldnt answer it.
It's basic !!001!! electronics as far as your concerned,so answer the question,and show us that your not the fraud everyone is starting to think you are.
We can then judge you like you have judged EMJ and Wattsup.

ICEs and JFETs, wow.  You are a real "case" Brad and it was horrible and unreal "debating" with you.  So horrible and unreal that I doubt anybody will correct your mistakes, it's just not worth it.

What was horrible MH,was to see how low you went when you were proven wrong. The level you dropped to,and the language you used was in very poor taste,and degrading to many other members here.

Many people have corrected mistakes i have made over the years,but you took me on in a subject where i am well versed--and you lost,just like i have in many other areas in electronics to others--and probably once again in the Lewin experiment thread regarding KVL. I only post what i know,and as we will see,Poynt will show me where i am going wrong. And if i can see that,then i will learn something new. But if i see a clear disagreement from what i should see,to what i am seeing,then i will continue to stand my ground.


As i said MH,i was happy to leave it be,and agree to disagree.
But i will not have you continue to post my name along with your lies--not going to happen.
You chose to bring me back into the discussion,and now you have me--so suck it up.
You should have left me out of your lies MH.


I hear by formally request you answer your question about the coil and ideal voltage-so as you may be judged as you have judged others on a question you asked,but have not answered yourself.


Brad.