most promising water split

[jadaro2600]

High voltage, higher wattage..  perhaps the initial invention is indeed worthless; have you all looked at the patent.  It's completely non-intuitive; it looks nothing like an electrolysis chamber.  Is it even valid?

Something like a mix of the above mentioned patents may work.  It's well know that it takes current to provide the electrons for the separation of oxygen and hydrogen, delivering it via submersed high voltage electrodes may be more fruitful. Hence the High voltage higher wattage comment.

[ATT]

There's a guy at Penn State, Bruce Logan (Dr. Logan...) who's been working on microbial hydrogen production.

He uses a specific strain of Archaea bacteria to break down the water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen, it's a self-sustaining process since the bacteria multiply over time.

He has since discovered another strain of Archaea that produces methane. Methane is desirable because it doesn't have the storage issues associated with hydrogen collection.

In either case, for long-term production and storage, it's hard to beat microbial efficiency with conventional (or unconventional) electrolysis (with the exception of any 'on-demand' requirement, such as in vehicles).

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/ps-mte033009.php
http://live.psu.edu/story/41860/rssResearch
http://live.psu.edu/story/38214

Tony 

[Creativity]

Now that u found this patent i see my idea is unpatentable anymore . I designed something very similar to this and see no point why it would not work, actually I'm building now a power supply for  HV DC to do some tests. I do not believe they achieved it with that small field strengths, i 'm aiming at 50kV/mm in my next setup. With 20kV in 3mm(1mm thick plastic with distilated water in between) setup i couldn't see any bubble under the microscope.It's known fact that water breakes up in high electric fields, just like it does in very high temps. Make some googling and u will be able to find some papers about it. The problem is the field strength required is great so the setup must be very thin to work in any amateur setup.

However this project went a bit aside, i got some other idea's that r less life threatening to try out first.

[wojwrobel]

hello
its me again
i found another patent GB2324307 that is much younger (1997) if this has anything to do with it , anyway it works the same as patent US4427512 its made by some UK guy named Robert Eccles so it must be something with this ...

here is the patent
http://sdch2o.free.fr/vrac/GB%202.324.307A%20R.Eccles.pdf
or
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/PatE13.pdf

cheers from poland
wojsciech

[TechStuf]

It seems that much of the downside to efficient fracturing is borne from poor design and methodology.  I've been toying with Ultrasonics for awhile, and am consistently amazed at their potential. Perhaps a couple of flat metal plates in close proximity, excited with low current AC with one of the plates acting as an ultrasonic transducer, might effect a low energy step in the right direction.  Capillary attraction could be employed to constantly feed the gap with H2O.

BTW, for those wishing to toy around with ultrasonics, the "Tide Buzz" ultrasonic stain remover, has a nice little probe to experiment with.

I wouldn't be surprised if the big boys are already producing copious amounts of hydrogen and oxygen via some method which employs the nanoengineering of metal surfaces, while making use of increased surface area arrangements of water molecules.


TS