Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[WilbyInebriated]

ho hummmm.....yawn.....

i couldn't quite tell from your red herring response what your answer to the question was...

[gadgetmall]

Electronics 101  . Try a 2nd Class Fcc Exam .

[MileHigh]

Albert:

That's somewhat of an ironic image.  Look at recent events in this thread.  Paul can't get a JT to transfer energy efficiently, and his ultracap measurements show no excess energy.  I am not confident in Paul's ability to make measurements but I will take whatever data I can get for now from him.  What usually happens is that an inexperienced experimenter makes measurements that incorrectly show over unity, so it's a pleasant surprise to see that Paul is showing under unity.

As far as reading the 1000 pages of the JT thread goes, I would rather read War and Peace.  I have read enough of the JT thread to know what it is all about.  It is just some nice people in an electronics sandbox playing with electronics toys instead of building sandcastles and playing with shovels.  They talk electronics "baby talk" amongst themselves, as do you.  They are having lots of fun so more power to them.  They get upset if ideas are presented to them that go against their common understanding of what they think is going on.  You have probably learned more about Joule Thieves on this thread than on the 1000+ pages of the JT threads.

Most people around here don't have much of a technical knowledge base to work with.  Going to your local community college and taking Electronics 101 and Physics 101 would really help.  After reading your postings it is fair to say that you don't really know how transistors, capacitors, and inductors really work, nor do you really have much of an understanding of how energy works.

Sometimes it's a challenge to discuss some points and get the information to sink in.  For example, you read what I had to say about unloaded and loaded battery voltages, but haven't acknowledged it.  Quoting battery voltages in the JT crowd will continue unabated, but at least you will know in the back of your mind that the data is nearly useless.

I have spent thousands of hours on an electronics bench doing experiments and designing things.  I don't need to do it around here.  I have made the measurements on capacitors and inductors and transistors.

Again, it can be fun and a challenge to try to work with experimenters to get to the truth with respect to their circuits.  You have probably called me an idiot about 20 times now and I still am trying to provide you with some good information.

Going back to the real reason we are here, when you build and test Groundloop's new PCB design to try to recycle the battery energy using an ultracap, you are going to demonstrate the principle of conservation of energy, and nothing else.  From the perspective of any scientist with a background in electronics, you have not made a single convincing argument to advance your proposition about your device.

One thing for sure you know right now after following this thread, is that there is so much about electronics that you DON'T know.  If what myself and others tell you bounces off a wall and never gets to you and you simply dismiss it, that your loss.  However, perhaps it is sinking in for others that are reading this thread, who knows.

Your most recent advice to Paul to get his JT running better is to "throw the kitchen sink at it" - advising him to try nails, other transistors, etc.  That's not very scientific.  We are trying to be a bit more scientific in this thread, to do things and make measurements for logical, rational reasons.

All of the logic and rational thought about your circuit says that it will be an under unity device.  You would "win" if you investigated this and proved it for yourself, and gained a true understanding of what actually is going on.

Going back to the meat of this thread - there is nothing special about ultracapacitors, they are just large capacitors.  They do not do anything special or out of the ordinary, they are just big.  There has not been a single demonstration to date showing anything unusual about ultracapacitors at all.  You can claim all you want with the examples that you have mentioned, and I have never failed to give you sound logical reasons to explain your comments and observations.

MileHigh

[Mk1]

@MH

One of the problem we have is the toroid material , we have no way to test them (and know what to buy), i have a toroid that do amazing stuff , but i will never find another one .

Since you know so much , help us there ...

Mark

[WilbyInebriated]

I have read enough of the JT thread to know what it is all about.

you obviously didn't read the first three pages or you wouldn't have re-posted the prc68.com link. i know you're too pompous to be bothered with reading what you consider 'baby talk', but even a simple search for 'prc68.com' would have kept you from looking so foolish... and speaking of logic, obviously if the prc68.com link you posted was already posted on the jt thread on page 3, then the thread can't be all 'baby talk' now can it? after all, it's "a great technical JT link with scope shots and Spice simulations" in your own words.