Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[allcanadian]

@Milehigh

For my "how does a JT really work" point, nether Bill or Albert know how they actually function.  Do you guys want to know?

No not really, if they wanted to understand the JT they could simply google "boost converters" or "self-oscillating boost converters" and have a wealth of information at their disposal from experts in that field of technology. However, it should be considered that expertise and invention are two very different things, the fathers of modern aviation were bicycle repairmen, the father of modern relativity was a patent clerk, in this respect we could say being an "expert" counts for very little in the evolution of technology. How can you be an expert in something that has yet to be invented?, it is just as likely that an unqualified person working in their garage will develop a new technology as any expert. One statistic stated 80% of all patents that have benefited mankind the most were made by persons with no formal training in that field of technology, that makes a person think doesn't it?
Regards
AC

[MileHigh]

AC:

You are thinking the wrong way.  Knowledge builds on top of knowledge.  People that push the envelope in their chosen endeavor always master the standard aspects of their craft first before moving beyond.  Picasso and Warhol did conventional paintings and commercial art before they branched out.  What's the point in making long strings of LEDs light if you don't know what's happening?

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

@Milehigh
No not really, if they wanted to understand the JT they could simply google "boost converters" or "self-oscillating boost converters" and have a wealth of information at their disposal from experts in that field of technology. However, it should be considered that expertise and invention are two very different things, the fathers of modern aviation were bicycle repairmen, the father of modern relativity was a patent clerk, in this respect we could say being an "expert" counts for very little in the evolution of technology. How can you be an expert in something that has yet to be invented?, it is just as likely that an unqualified person working in their garage will develop a new technology as any expert. One statistic stated 80% of all patents that have benefited mankind the most were made by persons with no formal training in that field of technology, that makes a person think doesn't it?
Regards
AC

AC:

Thanks for your post. Me, and probably most of the folks here have MH on ignore so we don't see what gibberish he may be posting.  I see where you quoted him and he says we don't know what is happening with the JT circuit.  Well, when he can figure out how to light a single led, maybe someone MIGHT listen to him.  He keeps saying stuff like this yet posts no facts to back up his wild claims.  I got tired of him continually showing his ignorance so...POOF...ignore toggle.

Thanks again,

Bill

[MileHigh]

Quoting Bill:

LEDs, we have found, will light using high voltage in the correct frequency ranges. We do not need many mA's to do this.  (Tesla discovered this fact many, many years ago with gas filled tubes) If you load down the circuit with too many LEDs for that particular output voltage and/or the load forces the output frequency to go outside of the parameters required by the LEDs, they will get progressively dimmer and, at the saturation or tipping point, not light at all.

This is completely wrong, it's nonsense.  It has basically nothing to do with voltage and nothing to do with frequency.  It's all based on current and the persistence of human vision.

Enjoy your bliss.

MileHigh

PS:  I almost forgot.  Paul made his "cop out" posting a few pages back and he found nothing after a few days worth of work.  He won't be doing any more testing, high-powered bench expert that he is.  He showed that a JT circuit can never pass more energy out than in.  He also demonstrated that ultracapacitors act exactly the same as regular capacitors as shown in the graph where you see the linearly rising voltage with respect to time as he charges the capacitor with a constant current source.  His conclusions are correct even though he did not really state them.

[allcanadian]

@milehigh

You are thinking the wrong way.  Knowledge builds on top of knowledge.  People that push the envelope in their chosen endeavor always master the standard aspects of their craft first before moving beyond.  Picasso and Warhol did conventional paintings and commercial art before they branched out.  What's the point in making long strings of LEDs light if you don't know what's happening?

You make some very good points as always and I would agree completely but I think there are exceptions to the rule. Have you heard the phrase--"he succeeded because he did not know any better", I have found this is applicable to the learning process in many ways. Gaining knowledge and learning is very important to me but I have found it can also be counter-productive to the evolution of knowledge--knowledge of the unknown. When we learn from others work a bias develops towards that way of thinking until this bias becomes second nature, that is one cannot know they are bias until they meet someone who is not. Gustav Le Bon wrote a very good paper on this subject called "The Crowd:a study of the popular mind". In essence I have found learning from others work can only take you so far and in many cases stifles true creativity. In many cases I have found success by doing exactly the opposite and thinking exactly the opposite to what one normally would. In this case the "wrong way" was in fact a better way of doing things--it was the right way, I hope you can appreciate the paradox here. This is one reason why I am not so quick to judge people here in the forum when I believe they could be misguided in their thoughts, maybe I am the one who is misguided and if I never give them the benefit of the doubt then I am the one who loses in the end. I am just thankful there are still places like this where a person can go and meet people who are nothing like me, I would not have it any other way. If as you say -- I am thinking the wrong way--, then that is not such a bad thing, it's all about perspective.
Regards
AC