Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[Groundloop]

All,

Today I started to test my version JT against the Boost Capacitor.
Attached is the circuit drawing of my setup.

The test so far:

BCAP CHARGE TEST 01

BCAP 650 Farad start voltage 0,653 Volt.
Will discharge bcap down to 0,653 when reached 2,600 Volt
and will repeat this test until AA battery is discharged.

Joule = 1/2 * Farad * (Volt*Volt)
Watt_Hour = Joule / 3600

AA Battery "Sunrise 1600mA" rest voltage 1,347 Volt.
AA battery maximum output = 2,1552 Watt_Hour.

Date:         Time:   BCAP Volt:   AA Volt:   Remarks:

20.12.2009 1900     0,653         1,347       Running without LED(s)
                1905     0,744         1,318       Changed battery in voltmeter 2.     
                1910     0,793         1,322       
                1915     0,816         1,318       Fluctuate between 1,326 and 1,318
                1930     0,865         1,328       Steady voltage now.
                1945     0,897         1,325
                2000     0,918         1,325
                2100     0,964         1,324
                2200     0,984         1,323
                2215     0,987         1,323
                2300     0,997         1,322
                2315     1,000         1,322

21.12.2009 0000     1,007         1,321       Day 2
                0110     1,015         1,320
                0200     1,021         1,319
                0300     1,026         1,318       Temperature in room down 2 degrees Celsius.
                0400     1,029         1,317
                0800     1,040         1,310
                0930     1,044         1,311       Temperature in room up 2 degrees Celsius.
                1000                                    Test terminated.

EDIT - I have terminated this test for now. It is taking WAY to long to charge that cap.

Regards,
Alex.

[tinu]

...
NO mainstream science will ever do that research

because … ?

If you are going to try filling in the dots in good fair, you’ll see the original statement does not hold water.
What are Tokamak (TFTR), ITER and even LHC (to mention just few of them) if not free energy research installations?!

Mainstream science is THE ONLY one doing that kind of research (real& rigorous research, I mean). Science by itself will amend the laws of thermodynamics when/if the time will come; so far it is not necessary and it looks very unlikely to be the case in the foreseeable future. Also, the fact that the law of conservation of energy holds true is not the fault of mainstream, less of the legit scientists making it.

Rest assured that most of the scientists are persons of great vision and very passionate, who will push the limit of knowledge beyond immediate interests (money, power, politics etc). If free energy is attainable, you’ll read papers about it.

Cheers,
Tinu

[Groundloop]

@tinu,

I'm a firm believer of free speech.
I have read your comments, have a nice day.

Alex.

[MileHigh]

Alex:

A few comments about your circuit:

Since one side of L3 is not connected to anything, L3 is not really part of the circuit.  Is it supposed to be doing something?

I don't know what your unit Watt/h is.  Watts per hour is a unit that doesn't make sense since a Watt is a Joule per second; Joule/s.  Perhaps you mean W*h, watt-hours, which are Joules?

AA Battery "Sunrise 1600mA" rest voltage 1,347 Volt.
AA battery maximum output = 2,1552 Watt/h.

What is the 21,522 number?

If you assume 1600 mAh (milliamp-hours) and keep it simple and assume 1.5 volts, then the Joules in the battery is:

Battery Joules = 1.6 x 1.5 x 3600 = 8640 Joules.

For your test you can see that the battery voltage is not changing.  The very very small changes in the battery voltage are telling you that the battery is still healthy and you can simply ignore them.   You can expect the battery voltage to remain healthy around 1.3 volts for perhaps 90% or more of its life.

When you get the the point where you decide the ultracap is full, it will be interesting if you can make some measurements of the battery recharge process.  Since you know your ultracap starting and ending voltages for the recharging process, you can make an estimate of where the Joules of energy go when you do the recharge.

I am assuming that you are putting a resistor between the ultracap and the battery when you do the recharging step.   Therefore you know that the energy from the ultracapacitor will go to three places:  1) energy dissipated as heat in the resistor, 2) energy dissipated as heat inside the battery, and 3) energy that gets stored as chemical energy in the battery to be reused later.

Good luck with your testing.

MileHigh

[Groundloop]

@MileHigh,

Thank you for taking time to read about my bcap testing.

The not connected (NC) end of L3 will be used as a safety method to prevent over charging
of the bcap. Later on I will test what will happen if I connect that NC to the plus of the bcap.

What I think will happen is that when the bcap reach a voltage of batteryvoltage - diodedrop
then a feed back to AA battery will happen and the voltage in the bcap will stop going up,
thus preventing a overcharged bcap.

The other reason for the open ended L3 connected this way is that I found (by testing) that
the output voltage did go from 27 volt to 54 volt when connected this way. I also found that
the JT input usage dropped to almost 1/10 of the input usage than without that connection.
There are some stray capacitance between the windings making the NC a not NC, if you know
what I mean.

My Watt/h is the same as Watt per. Hour. It is just my way of saying Joules / 3600
The Joules in my AA battery at start-up was approx. 2 point 1552 Watt/h.
(2.1552 W/h A little over 2 Watt per. hour. We use comma in Norway not point.)

I'm well aware of the discharge curve of a NiMeH battery. The reason for plotting the AA
voltage is so that I can make a discharge curve in Excel later on to see what discharge curve
I got in this test compared to a standard discharge curve.

I was planning to run this test to the end of the charge in the AA, but this will take forever to do,
and I don't like this test to run unattended, so I will stop this test today. The other reason
to stop this test is that I do not have the same JT as Gadgetmall did use. I will build a better
replica later on when I test the automated feed back circuit I will be building.

I'm also thinking of using my new data sampler and relay board to automate the process of
testing this circuit. This will require new firmware in the data sampler and I don't know if I
have the time to do all this work right now.

I can see that this forum has over 21000 members. Imagine if all of them did actual research
onto something?

Regards,
Alex.