Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[MileHigh]

Bill:

The problem is that you were telling many folks that supercaps were no different, to the same folks that have already proved to themselves, and others, that they are.

The good folks you are preaching to have already seen the difference and have moved on to newer and better things.

What are the differences?  Can you give us at least a two or three paragraph response please?

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

Milehigh:

This is my last attempt.  Do you remember when you were pm'ing me about this very subject?  I asked a question that I did not receive an answer to.  Like why, with my earth battery only putting out 1,9 volts at about 19 mAs can charge a b-cap to 2.6 volts and 650 Farads?  I have an answer that might or might not be correct.

After seeing the scope shot wave forms from my EB I saw a lot of high voltage spikes.  I concluded (not proven) that these supercaps, b-caps, can take these spikes and make them real energy...usable power.  I have seen that and done that and documented that.  I am not sure this is why it is happening but, I have seen the results.

I have built 3 Bedini motors (SSG) and used regular batteries.  My guess, or posit if you will, is that supercaps can handle these spikes and convert them to real power.  A battery can "sort of" do this, after conditioning,  but not as efficient.  This is what I have seen by trying this.

This is where I feel the "extra" energy is coming from.  It does, after all, have to come from somewhere.

So, let me state this for the record here on OU.com.  If Paul's tests fail to show anything "interesting", and Gadget does not win the OU prize, and it turns out that you were correct all along, I say here that I will be one of the first ones to acknowledge that, and that I will publically apologize to you.

I am here to learn.  And if I learn something different than expected or what I thought was reality?  Then I will be the first to say I was wrong.  No problem.  I can do this easily because then, everyone else here will have learned something and, so will I.  This is good.

I am here to learn.  My wish and hope would be that everyone else is too.

Bill

[MileHigh]

Bill:

I am not going to rebut your three technical points and just say that there is noting special or remarkable going on in what you are observing.  I know that you have heard that response before from others including Poynt but this is not the place to go into those details.

So please don't be offended but you haven't convinced me at all with your examples and I have to point out that you did not actually describe any differences between run-of-the-mill capacitors and supercapacitors.

Your comments on the desire to learn are welcomed.  Perhaps one day you and your JT group will get to the point where you see the real deal with respect to your three examples and you might share my viewpoint.  Time will tell.

A little thought experiment for you:  You are in a park and are sitting next to a merry-go-round.  It is an ideal merry-go-round on frictionless bearings and there is no air friction.  You have a small ball-peen hammer in your hand and you hit a rail on the merry-go-round and it starts to turn.  Every second you hit the merry-go-round with your ball-peen hammer and it slowly starts to speed up.  Just like there are frictionless bearings and no air friction, you have a near "magic arm" and can still hit the merry go round with your hammer so that keeps on speeding up faster and faster.  Eventually you decide that the merry-go-round is spinning fast enough and you stop hitting it with your ball-peen hammer.  The merry-go-round then just spins "forever" since there is no bearing or air friction.

That is what is going on with your first example, the earth battery charging the supercap.  That is what the electric circuit is doing.  Perhaps it sounds crazy and incomprehensible to you, but if you keep on learning perhaps one day it will make sense to you.

Anybody that says that this was a junk posting can kiss my ass.

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

Well, I say it was a junk posting so, you did not have, once again, any answers to offer.  You dodged, very poorly I might add, very direct questions.  Thanks for the physics 101 example of the merry go round.  You must have such a high opinion of yourself that you think we don't know anything.  Have you designed and built parts that are now on Mars?  (I have)  What have you done...exactly?  Why should we listen to you?

No answers?

Exactly.

So, unless you have something to add to the conversation, I suggest you join poynt and take all of your great and wonderful knowledge that none of us will ever have, and go somewhere else.  Your mind is closed.  You have demonstrated that to all of us repeatedly.  I give up.  It is not my job in life to educate you.  You probably know more about electronics than I will ever know, but, you don't know everything and, you have quit learning.

This is very sad.

Bill

[MileHigh]

Bill:

You are forgetting that I asked you to answer my question about the differences between ordinary capacitors and supercapacitors, which you failed to answer.  I was just asking you to back up your own statements, which you can't do.  Don't try to twist that into a pop quiz related to the "mysteries" from your JT thread that you are a asking me to explain.  I could answer each one of your questions/examples with ease, but this is not the place to do that.  I am pretty sure that you would not even understand my answers if I gave you the "straight technical goods."

You _think_ that you are pushing the envelope, but you are in reality in your own self-imposed Dark Age with no Renaissance in sight.  And don't tell me not to speak one more time.

Back to Paul's research....

MileHigh