Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[gadgetmall]

I 2nd that! I hope gadgetmall does not take any chances with a self-runner. Personally I'd hit the road and make sure such technology made it into public hands. Too many insane people in the world who would bump such a person off for far less. I don't assume for one second they can't find your location even if you post anonymously. With some time & $ I could get the location of anyone at this forum.

Don't take the chance.

Paul

Thanks Paul but this is NOT my first Self runner . I have several BEDINI that self charge and run with excess power . An i posted what i know about them in the Forum Fusionchip's Feedback to Source Bedini . Like i said They Know Me Already and know where i live . I am Listed in the Federal Communications Bureau and Several City Business Directory's , ICANN and a Also Have Level 4 Clearance with the FBI  for the US post office and also So i can chaperon Kids at School .  . iF THEY TRY TO COME GET ME AND SNUFF ME OUT > THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THRU A COUPLE PINEAPPLES AND A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS OF AMMO FIRST AND HOPE THEY DON'T FORGET TO CLOSE THERE EYES CAUSE  I HAVE A 30 WATT INVISIBLE infrared LASER  THAT BURNS STUFF AT A LONG DISTANCE 

[innovation_station]

dont worrie gadget ... 

sheesh this is how humans are controlled ...  aliens do it all the time to the foolish humans ...  and ALL SIT UNDER ME ..

thank you!

so stop fearing ...

there was 1 real bad one well bad as in bad the real bad ones are in there home ...  i REFUSED THE RETURN OF the higher self being of the bad one ... i sent it back ... 

i had to be back here and STAND ON EARTH TO DO SUCH A THING ...

it did not fit my plan ...  and explaind why ...  this was understood .. ON ALL LEVELS!

peace ... in! 

now fix the garden please...

[PaulLowrance]

LOL, I hope you guys are right, but I don't care what anyone says, if I ever see a self running, then I myself will be a self run, running like the wind far & fast. Nobody will know where I'm at, and I'll demo the device & spread the good news like wild fires! End of story, and nobody can change my mind.

No chances will be taken here. So if I disappear from this forum, you'll know what's happening. 

Paul

[MileHigh]

Just going to reply to a few comments.

Paul:

I keep telling you that measured ultracap capacitance changes far more with respect to temperature than voltage.

I am really not sure why you are concluding this.  In your measurements I see that you speculate that the internal temp is higher when you put more current into the cap.  Do you really know this for sure?

I simply looked at your data and looked for a general trend.  From top to bottom you are continuously charging the capacitor and making the voltage higher and higher, irrespective of the current.  I simply applied a "low pass filter in my head" to your data and concluded that the real trend is capacitance going up for increasing cap voltage.  Also, I found a corroborating link in the abstract to the IEEE paper, remember?

In my opinion you are throwing yourself off the trail with respect to the temperature issue, based on your data.  You are simply seeing the wrong thing.  Take another look at the trending with respect to voltage.

With respect to "micro or nano areas of high temp in the globules" (paraphrasing) giving you more capacitance, that doesn't make sense simply because there can't be any nano areas like this.  Any temperature differences on a nano scale will be equalized in a nanosecond.  Finally, there is no evidence to back up this speculation nor is there any logical reason for this to increase the capacitance.  Also, any production of heat represents lost energy, which you are trying to avoid.

I also did the V=Q/C treatise showing how increased capacitance will give you lower voltage anyways, so speculating on a mechanism that increases the capacitance will simply not give you any more energy.

I made good contribution at WikiPedia on kTC noise. Do you even know what kTC noise is? Hurry up, go run over to wikipedia so you can pretend that you knew.

What the hell with the attitude?  I haven't a clue what kTC noise is.  I will guess it has something to do with thermal noise.

Bill:

I did politely ask you, again and again, not to keep positing the same things over and over and over, with nothing to back them up.

This is pure spin-doctoring and enough please.  I made a several posts with different technical points about Paul's project that were basically an attempt to shed some light on the situation so your characterization of my activity is simply a bold-faced lie.  I have no clue why the "believers" fall silent and completely mute when it comes to these types of postings, seemingly afraid to comment or ask a question.  Saying I have nothing to back them up with is another lie.  Don't give me the "experiments" line.

Why don't you apply the same standards to every second wild crazy statement from Gadgetmall?  Is this your cue to fall mute?  Challenge Gagdetmall on his totally unproven statement about being able to power your home if you have 35 or 40 ultracapacitors to work with.

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[MileHigh]

Some more comments:

Electricme:

The flat Earth/Wright brothers argument is a tired old cliche.  The rebut to that is that it is actually the scientists and enlightened people that knew that powered flight was just around the corner at the beginning of the 20th century - not the other way around as it is always stated.  Many people perfected gliding tests in the 19th century and they knew that all they needed was an engine with a good enough power to weight ratio to get off the ground.

Paul:

And you ignore my statement, time after time you keep using that false claim to back up your claim that it's not excess energy.

What exactly is your proposed mechanism for getting excess energy with an ultracap.  Please explain it clearly, I am truly not clear on what you are talking about here.

You are saying that I am making a "false claim."  I have said a fair amount, so what precisely is my "false claim?"

Also, what is the "main effect" that you are talking about?  Is it the higher current discharge equaling higher capacitance?  Again, I am not clear here.  Is the "main effect" also an over unity effect?

It is illogical to say that people who are doing the experiments are being closed minded. You might want to rethink your stance.

If I discuss point "A" then you should respond about point "A" and not point "B."  Point "A" is the fact that people want to believe that supercaps can be sources of free energy without doing the due diligence and learning about energy and electronics first before they form an opinion.  Making uneducated opinions about things is closed minded because you should have the wits and wherewithal to refrain on forming an opinion before you know most or all the facts on the ground first.

Some people following this thread might believe that supercaps can be a source of free energy because "somebody said so."  In contrast, in the real world capacitor technology has never in a million years been considered to be a source of energy.  Why should supercaps be unique in this domain when all other types of capacitors are not a source of free energy and have never been a source of free energy?  Because Gadget said so?

Charging the UC could producing microscopic temperature changes, which in turn could cause increase the electrolytes effectiveness.

Effectiveness to do what?  What do you really mean here?

Also, like I said there are no areas with microscopic temperature changes.  Is this a pet theory of yours?  What's behind it?  Do you think a microscopic area of higher temperature will be a miniature "bud" of free energy or something?

It's safe to say there are a lot of irreversible effects within an ultracap. UC current would produce microscopic, actually it's probably closer to nanoscopic temperatures on the surfaces of the micro globular structures within the UC.

Basic physics Paul:  Two extremely small volumes of material of different temperature in a thermally conducting medium will equalize in temperature in an extremely small amount of time.  They will vanish the instant that they are created.  For all practical intents and purposes the inside of a supercap will be at an even temperature.

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