Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[nitinnun]

there are free electrons in the air.
in the form of negative air ions.

these negative air ions, are attracted into the positive half of the capacitor.
either because of the diamagnetic elements in the capacitor,
or because of the capacitors positive charge.



the charge in one half of the capacitor, creates the charge in the other half of the capacitor.
because of lenz law.

[electricme]

@Paul,

Albert,

BTW, I would like to replicate your best JT circuit today. Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Paul

By the time I got on the net, this has probably been answered already, but extra info is always never wasted.

Gadget has some good info on Joule Thieves, but the person who really knows about the most to ask if you get stuck would be Jeanna on Bills Joule Thief forum.
Have a look see from the 1000 page upwards.

I plan to replicate her Jeanna Light as Lidmotor has called it, Lidmotor has given the Jeanna Light positave ratings.

I have 2 iron rings here,  22" Outside Dia 19" Inside Dia 3/4" thick, I want to see if I cam make em ring"""""

If you want to avail yourself of some free toroids, try mag-inc.com, they have the type avaliable for the Jeanna Light (OW48613TC).


jim

 

[MileHigh]

Albert:

One of My heater circuits has been running two weeks now . The run battery started at 1.355 and the Bcap started at .5 . in approximatly 19 hours the bcap reached 1.800 volts .  the remaining power in the battery is 1.301 as of today / cap is holding its own at 1.801  I then hooked a 1.2 volt flashlight bulb in series from pos to pos  after that two weeks ago y with a screw in socket for about 30 minuits every few days . The battery charges slowley and and the bcap discharges even slower . so today the battery is 1.301 and the cap is 1.8 volts after two weeks  and about 5 jumps thru the flashlight bulb . After the OU control Circuitry is built this will work as i proved without a doubt in my mind that this circuit will hold its own and self run .  Stick that in you Head Scientist !!

You are providing anecdotal evidence that your battery can run your JT circuit for two weeks and power a flashlight bulb for a while.  Do you know if your battery can run it for six weeks?  You are going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to make a solid case.  A schematic would be required, a detailed description of what you are doing, the measurements that you are making, etc.  This is a perfectly reasonable and sensible requirement that would apply to anyone making an over unity claim.  If you are uncomfortable with doing this, perhaps you could team up with someone in real life that can work with you that is comfortable with this.  Just a suggestion.

For what it's worth, I know that you all quote battery voltages, but like I said before, that gives you only the vaguest idea about how much energy remains in the battery.  A true, serious electronics experimenter does not cite battery voltages in the context that you are using that data because it is imprecise and basically meaningless.  I will now put on my flame retardant suit.

Nitinnun:

You should read up on capacitors on Wikipedia or a good electronics hobbyist's site because your statements are wrong.  Your comments in reference to negative ions in the air, diamagnetism and and Lenz's Law are pie-in-the-sky.

Electricme:

I retract my comments about you from an earlier posting.

MileHigh

[gadgetmall]

Albert:

You are providing anecdotal evidence that your battery can run your JT circuit for two weeks and power a flashlight bulb for a while.  Do you know if your battery can run it for six weeks?  You are going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to make a solid case.  A schematic would be required, a detailed description of what you are doing, the measurements that you are making, etc.  This is a perfectly reasonable and sensible requirement that would apply to anyone making an over unity claim.  If you are uncomfortable with doing this, perhaps you could team up with someone in real life that can work with you that is comfortable with this.  Just a suggestion.

For what it's worth, I know that you all quote battery voltages, but like I said before, that gives you only the vaguest idea about how much energy remains in the battery.  A true, serious electronics experimenter does not cite battery voltages in the context that you are using that data because it is imprecise and basically meaningless.  I will now put on my flame retardant suit.

Nitinnun:

You should read up on capacitors on Wikipedia or a good electronics hobbyist's site because your statements are wrong.  Your comments in reference to negative ions in the air, diamagnetism and and Lenz's Law are pie-in-the-sky.

Electricme:

I retract my comments about you from an earlier posting.

MileHigh

Yep .  Voltage is all this system cares about . its a voltage booster circuit after all . No i don't light the  filament bulb. Using the schematic posted i simply put the 1.2 volt bulb across the two positive terminals thus its a resistive regulator and instead of throwing all the amps from the bcap to the battery the bulb absorbs the massive jolt that would occur if i just jumped it with a solid wire .  and trickles the battery to back to health . No the lamp don't light up at all . ...
the unit just runs without stopping ..A TRUE Serious Experiment like Myself Does Experiments and Don't play with BS numbers ! You cant calculate this because there is an unknown factor . BEMF of varying strengths . Already proven By bedini and others in tpu and Jt experiments . Pulsed energy from a Jt is not the same as direct current !

[MileHigh]

Albert:

I will assume that your circuit is the same as the one Jenna always posts where you replace the LED position (in the schematic "BJTL") with a diode and your ultracapacitor.   I will also assume that you connect the flashlight bulb between the ultracapacitor positive and the battery positive when you want to recharge the battery.  I will also assume that you have no "extra secondary" windings to drive a CFL or something similar.

Voltage is all this system cares about.

No, what this system cares about is the amount of energy in the battery over time.  You are claiming that the energy in the battery may fluctuate, but will never go down to zero.  Measuring the battery voltage over time is not really going to tell you how much energy there is in the battery.

It's possible that your setup will run a very long time with an AA battery if the configuration uses very little power to charge the ultracapacitor and you have very little lost power as heat to drive the Joule Thief circuit itself.

Your variation on the JT will take some battery energy and put it into the ultracapacitor very slowly.  Then when you attach the bulb two things happen, 1) you recharge the battery with some energy that's stored in the capacitor, and 2) you loose some of the energy stored in the capacitor as heat.

If everything is running so that the average power dissipated is very very low, and this is very possible, then a single AA battery could possibly run the circuit for months.

However, the battery will eventually go dead.

So, if you had some idea of what your true average power consumption of the circuit was, and you knew how much energy was in the battery at the start of your experiment, then you would at least have an idea of how long the circuit would run.

Since you apparently don't have that information, you observe the the JT/ultracapacitor circuit running for two weeks and jump to the conclusion that you have an over unity device.  The reality is that the setup might be able to run a very very long time, a few months.

An analogy would be when you put an AA battery in a digital clock.  The battery could run the clock for years.  In your case, the battery may be able to run your setup for months, and then it will die.

If you don't want to wait for months, you could start with a battery where you know or have carefully measured how much energy is stored in it.  Then run the setup for one month and carefully measure how much energy is remaining in the battery.  If there is less energy in the battery after one month (which will be the case) then the experiment is over and you have proved the setup is under unity.

A TRUE Serious Experiment like Myself Does Experiments and Don't play with BS numbers !

This whole thing is a numbers game and don't try to pretend it isn't because it is.

You cant calculate this because there is an unknown factor . BEMF of varying strengths

Actually you can measure the amount of energy per BEMF pulse from your JT circuit going into the ultracapacitor, it's a quite easy measurement to make.  A lot of people around here would tell you that Bedini has proven nothing, including myself.  There is a whole thread somewhere here where everybody states that they tried and tried but could never get extra energy from their Bedini setups.

MileHigh

P.S.:  So you took my advice to not connect the battery directly to the capacitor to recharge it?