STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[k4zep]

I very much agree! Steorn already said everyone, including TK, is not doing it right. Maybe there's something to some of the designs posted in this thread, but I can't get what Sean said out of my head. We don't know any details about the magnets or toroid core. The toroid could even contain magnet(s). It could be transversely or longitudinally aligned. There might be an air gap inside. Same goes for the magnet. What kind of magnet is it. Steorn could have coated an ferrite or an alnico for all we know. Maybe each magnet is made up of numerous magnets oriented in various ways.

BTW, I replicated my magnet cooling effect a few days ago on an entirely different setup. 

EXCELLENT and I totally agree with you but it might be as simple as timing before and after TDC, pwer pulse before TDC and generator pulse after TDC, simply timing and WIDTH of each pulse and of course the lack of CEMF via the mechanics of the toroid!!!! 

As he has never given out the exact wireing diagram of the demo model as well as timing diagram, it does tickle the funny bone a bit.  He has blarney and misdirection and ability to leave out that which is important to the technically inclined. The timing and schematic would sure help things......but what if it was that simple? And cost $30 million!!!!

  Congratulations on replicating your cooling experiment.  Have you figured it out as far as repeatability?

Respectfully
Ben

[PaulLowrance]

Some skeptics have said the excess energy comes from demagnetizing the magnet. That is 100% incorrect. I don't have the reference right in front me, when a demagnetized magnet is magnetized there is a release of potential energy in the form of heat-- MCE. This is well understood by conventional physics, and is known as MCE (magnetocaloric effect). So you get X joules in wasted heat (from the battery to magnetize the magnet) and there's also Y joules in wasted heat from MCE.

So when a magnet is magnetized, all of the energy from the battery goes into heat and you get extra energy in the form of heat from MCE. This is not terrible difficult to verify experimentally. Place the magnet and magnetizing coil inside a thermal insulated chamber, monitor the amount of input energy from the power supply, and monitor the rise in temperature, then do the control experiment to get the heat capacity. You will see that the total energy in heat is greater than what came from the power supply.

Paul

[k4zep]

Some skeptics have said the excess energy comes from demagnetizing the magnet. That is 100% incorrect. I don't have the reference right in front me, when a demagnetized magnet is magnetized there is a release of potential energy in the form of heat-- MCE. This is well understood by conventional physics, and is known as MCE (magnetocaloric effect). So you get X joules in wasted heat (from the battery to magnetize the magnet) and there's also Y joules in wasted heat from MCE.

So when a magnet is magnetized, all of the energy from the battery goes into heat and you get extra energy in the form of heat from MCE. This is not terrible difficult to verify experimentally. Place the magnet and magnetizing coil inside a thermal insulated chamber, monitor the amount of input energy from the power supply, and monitor the rise in temperature, then do the control experiment to get the heat capacity. You will see that the total energy in heat is greater than what came from the power supply.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Not to put words in your mouth but it seems to indicate that you feel that the Steorm theory/model might work?
Does this theory explain your magnetic cooling also?

Respectfully
Ben

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Ben,

Yes, I think the cooling effect explains the Steorn cop>1 / excess energy claim. In early 2009 I documented very simple methods of detecting long term magnetic viscosity effects where a magnet could be demagnetized by a slight amount or even strengthened a bit, and when left alone the magnet would slowly recover, on the order of hours to weeks, depending on the magnet and how much it was changed. This occurs in all magnetic materials, but is easily seen in permanent magnets. So I believe the cooling effect was due to noticeable demagnetization of the NdFeB magnets, which will causes a cooling effect-- MCE. My early 2009 experiments showed that the magnet slow recovers, so that's why it would be excess energy / cop>1.

Now what I was measuring was significant temperature drops, ~ 3°F, which equates to a lot of energy, especially when we consider that the magnets were spinning at ~ 10000 rpm. BTW, the recent experiments that occurred ~ 3 days ago had nothing to do with spinning objects, where the temperature dropped 1.6°F in large NdFeB magnets. That was measured with tiny 402 SMD thermistor. So that's a lot of energy, relative to what Steorn is showing. So IMO Steorn is taking advantage of short term magnetic viscosity, on the order of milli to 100's micro seconds, and of course magnets recover just as fast for short term magnetic viscosity.

In my 1st temperature experiment the magnets were oppositely polarized, so when they're spinning at 10000 rpms over a toroid that's shorted there will be magnetic repulsive forces, which explains why the magnets degaussed a bit, and hence cooled. The recent experiments consisted of taking a ferrite rod with coil placed over a NdFeB magnets, and then shorting the coil across a 40000uF 50V capacitor, which caused the ferrite rod to repel the NdFeB. That has the same effect as slightly degaussing the NdFeB, which explains the cooling effect.

In the Steorn device the magnets would cool by such small amounts that it's probably not measurable.

Anyhow, that's at least the theory. We'll have to see if it's true.

[penno64]

Hi Ossie,

How's that new motor coming along ?

Has anyone been able to replicate JB's setup that required minimal current when the iron pipe was used. Wonder if his coil was merely a very long spool of enamelled wire ?

Also wonder if his bipolar switch is like Ossie's coil switching circuit - though he uses a H/E sensor.

Any thoughts.

Regards, Penno.