STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Omnibus]

I have to disagree.  I feel that anyone who actually builds, and gives it a go, has earned the right to be skeptical.  It's not like milehigh, that was just spouting off to top of head about stuff he had never tested in real life.  TK has given this a strong go.  And he has been surprised more than once with what he has accomplished with the Orbo.  BUT, if he feels he wants to be a bit of a thorn in Steorn's side, and pop tough questions, I think he has earned that right.  I still hope the Orbo turns out to be the answer, I'm not saying otherwise.  Just that I feel I've got to back TK on this one.  Whether you agree with his opinions or not, the man has earned the right to bitch!

alsetalokin (Tinsel Koala) is putting on an act of being surprised more than once. He hasn't been surprised one bit. That's part of his subversive game. That fellow, being a zealous activist, is one of the most cunning enemies of the efforts of the OU movement and should not be given one bit of a credit. You may recall the hoax he perpetrated with his Whipmag. That was part of the same strategy those who use him (and may be pay him) to discourage people from studying overunity. Take a look at his current 30 or so videos. Does any one of them have anything to do with studying OU? None of these vids has. These are just videos made by the said zealous activist to pool wool over peoples' eyes, to distract them to divert them from their pursuit in this new, non-mainstream field of science. Beware of clowns such as alsetalokin (Tinsel Koala). He deserves no credit at all.

[PaulLowrance]

I have to disagree.  I feel that anyone who actually builds, and gives it a go, has earned the right to be skeptical.

That not the issue at hand. TK started out being a skeptic and judged Sean & Steorn. I've shown that modern skepticism is inefficient and flawed.  Imagine being in court and the entire jury immediately from the start judged you and believed you were guilty. That my friend is what modern skepticism has become. A truth-seeking object person will *wait* for the data to come in before judging. TK / alsetalokin has judged Sean & Steorn heavily before he built anything! And take a look at his conversation with Sean today, as a few key sentences clearly shows TK's harsh judgment, and hence TK's intent.

[PaulLowrance]

alsetalokin (Tinsel Koala) is putting on an act of being surprised more than once. He hasn't been surprised one bit. That's part of his subversive game. That fellow, being a zealous activist, is one of the most cunning enemies of the efforts of the OU movement and should not be given one bit of a credit. You may recall the hoax he perpetrated with his Whipmag. That was part of the same strategy those who use him (and may be pay him) to discourage people from studying overunity. Take a look at his current 30 or so videos. Does any one of them have anything to do with studying OU? None of these vids has. These are just videos made by the said zealous activist to pool wool over peoples' eyes, to distract them to divert them from their pursuit in this new, non-mainstream field of science. Beware of clowns such as alsetalokin (Tinsel Koala). He deserves no credit at all.

How true indeed, unfortunately. By Joe, you might be the 1st person I've met on this forum who "Gets It!" 

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[gravityblock]

There must be some alignment of the magnetic domains along the circles in the torus in order to obtain an effect on the inductance. Only in this case a current in the coil will repel the magnet or prevent it to be attracted back. But as viewed yesterday, this implies action/reaction between the magnet and the coil, and Lenz's law applies.

The action is the pulse of current and the reaction from this pulse of current is the core disappearing and is no longer seen by the magnet.  This allows the magnet to pass by without a CEMF because there is no net EMF from the coil acting on the magnets, thus Lenz's law does not apply but Newton's Third law still holds.

Ossie has noted and I agree with him about pulsing the toroid before the magnet reaches TDC in regards to how we are replicating.  When first pulsing the toroid at TDC, the magnetic field is not yet contained within the core and will act on the magnet and generate a CEMF as the magnet departs from TDC.  Pulse the toroid slightly before TDC, then most of the magnetic field will be inside the saturated core before the magnet passes by without slowing it down after departing.  Yes, you will lose a little bit of attraction force and speed when pulsing it slightly before TDC.  Either way we will have a CEMF in the current way we are replicating from what I have seen.  The Steorn camp can look at any replication and be able to tell if it has CEMF or not because they know the principals behind the operation of this device.

Here is the key.  Pulse it at TDC.  This way you retain all of the speed the rotor gained due to being attracted to the core.  The pair of magnets will use Newton's Third law and cancel the CEMF as the magnets depart from TDC.  One rotor magnet will be attracted to the magnetic field from the pulse while the other magnet will be repelled by the magnetic field that has yet to be contained within the core with an equal force, thus canceling each other out and eliminating nearly all of the CEMF without a loss in speed.

The important factor with the core is for it to have good attraction force, can contain most of the flux from the pulse (permeability), the domains are easy to turn so it can be saturated quickly with less current and it doesn't retain any magnetism after being unenergized.

The pair of magnets won't even begin to saturate the core if they have the same pole facing the toroid, thus the core doesn't lose it's attraction force as the magnets approach.

I will run down what I believe will consist of a successful replication.

1)  Use more than a few coils as Ossie suggested.
2)  Use more than one reed switch or whatever your choice will be for a reed substitute and alternate between them.
3)  Do not use a single rotor magnet.  Use them in pairs.  There is a very good reason for this.
4)  Put a backing plate behind these pairs of magnets.  The pair of magnets may not be alternating in poles and this would cancel the CEMF both on the approach and departure with the core.  If they're not alternating in poles, then the backing plate will increase the attraction force.

I don't have it all figured out yet, but it's starting to become clear on how this system operates.  Use Newton's Third law to overcome the CEMF and defeat lenz.

GB