STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[gravityblock]

When the current is increasing in the coil due to the pulse and the magnets begin to pass TDC, the flux is not fully engaged with the core and must swing out because the field lines can't cross each other.  You must use Newton's Third law during this period and the only way to do this is to have the dual magnets having like poles facing the toroid.

You do not want to saturate the core with opposite poles of the dual magnets.  I have already shown a video showing what happens when the core is saturated with opposite poles of a magnet.  The result is the core is no longer attractive.  This means the core is losing it's strength in being attractive as the magnets approach with opposite poles and you don't obtain the full speed.  This is a CEMF on the approach and can be overcome by Newton's Third law by using like poles with the dual magnets and the video clearing shows the metal is not saturated with like poles and don't lose it's attractiveness.

This is the reason why the Steorn camp is talking about having a battery that can deliver a fast rise time in the current.  The faster the rise time, the closer the Magnets can get to TDC and allowed to gain additional speed before the pulse of current.  It also allows the pulse width to be shorter.  The core material allows the flux from the pulse to be fully engaged inside the core much quicker allowing the magnets to get closer to TDC before you pulse it so it can reach a higher speed.

IMO it is a really simple and brilliant concept.  Use Newton's Third law to defeat the CEMF on both the approach and departure of the core.  I will be releasing videos soon showing the spin down time when the input power is cut.  I will test the spin down time with the dual magnets having like poles and the toroid being vertical, horizontal, and without the toroid.  I will also test the spin down time with opposite poles.  I am speculating the spin down time will be the same when the toroid is vertical or horizontal and the spin down time will be longer with like poles than with opposite poles of the dual magnets.

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is.


GB

[k4zep]

Great find Ben! Where did you find that revealing quote? Maybe the Steorn toroid is not wound like people thought. Maybe there are two windings in each toroid, a left & right, which oppose each other. That would cause the magnetic field to shoot out the ends, which could do as the descriptions says, right? Believe it or not, that's a design I've been thinking about a lot.

Go to:  http://sites.google.com/site/steornlab/home

About 1/2 ways down! 

Ben

[k4zep]

When the current is increasing in the coil due to the pulse and the magnets begin to pass TDC, the flux is not fully engaged with the core and must swing out because the field lines can't cross each other.  You must use Newton's Third law during this period and the only way to do this is to have the dual magnets having like poles facing the toroid.

You do not want to saturate the core with opposite poles of the dual magnets.  I have already shown a video showing what happens when the core is saturated with opposite poles of a magnet.  The result is the core is no longer attractive.  This means the core is losing it's strength in being attractive as the magnets approach with opposite poles and you don't obtain the full speed.  This is a CEMF on the approach and can be overcome by Newton's Third law by using like poles with the dual magnets and the video clearing shows the metal is not saturated with like poles and don't lose it's attractiveness.

This is the reason why the Steorn camp is talking about having a battery that can deliver a fast rise time in the current.  The faster the rise time, the closer the Magnets can get to TDC and allowed to gain additional speed before the pulse of current.  It also allows the pulse width to be shorter.  The core material allows the flux from the pulse to be fully engaged inside the core much quicker allowing the magnets to get closer to TDC before you pulse it so it can reach a higher speed.

IMO it is a really simple and brilliant concept.  Use Newton's Third law to defeat the CEMF on both the approach and departure of the core.  I will be releasing videos soon showing the spin down time when the input power is cut.  I will test the spin down time with the dual magnets having like poles and the toroid being vertical, horizontal, and without the toroid.  I will also test the spin down time with opposite poles.

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is.


GB

I look forwards to the spin down results!!!!!

Ben

[lumen]

When the current is increasing in the coil due to the pulse and the magnets begin to pass TDC, the flux is not fully engaged with the core and must swing out because the field lines can't cross each other.  You must use Newton's Third law during this period and the only way to do this is to have the dual magnets having like poles facing the toroid.

You do not want to saturate the core with opposite poles of the dual magnets.  I have already shown a video showing what happens when the core is saturated with opposite poles of a magnet.  The result is the core is no longer attractive.  This means the core is losing it's strength in being attractive as the magnets approach with opposite poles and you don't obtain the full speed.  This is a CEMF on the approach and can be overcome by Newton's Third law by using like poles with the dual magnets and the video clearing shows the metal is not saturated with like poles and don't lose it's attractiveness.

This is the reason why the Steorn camp is talking about having a battery that can deliver a fast rise time in the current.  The faster the rise time, the closer the Magnets can get to TDC and allowed to gain additional speed before the pulse of current.  It also allows the pulse width to be shorter.  The core material allows the flux from the pulse to be fully engaged inside the core much quicker allowing the magnets to get closer to TDC before you pulse it so it can reach a higher speed.

IMO it is a really simple and brilliant concept.  Use Newton's Third law to defeat the CEMF on both the approach and departure of the core.  I will be releasing videos soon showing the spin down time when the input power is cut.  I will test the spin down time with the dual magnets having like poles and the toroid being vertical, horizontal, and without the toroid.  I will also test the spin down time with opposite poles.  I am speculating the spin down time will be the same when the toroid is vertical or horizontal and the spin down time will be longer with like poles than with opposite poles of the dual magnets.

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is.


GB

That could itself be overly complicated, we simply don't know. After watching everything on this thread for some time and seeing the remarks from Sean, I bet he is laughing at everyone's attempt to duplicate the effect using limited information.
I have my own idea of what the effect is and how one should build a replica, but I refuse to at this time because there are still two many different directions into the unknown.
Saying that, I am glad everyone is trying their best to get something working because there is always a chance someone will find an even better way to get the same effect. (whatever it is)

[captainpecan]

Does anyone have a link to any video, that shows for sure that the original orbo demo only has one sticky spot per coil?  I realized that I am basing the theory of the original only having one sticky spot, by looking at the demo they showed when hooking it to the oscilloscope.  But that model is set up using toroidal coils laying on their sides.  It does in fact show one sticky spot.  BUT, how do we know that the original does not have two sticky spots?  I thought it only had one, but now that I'm looking for it, I can't seem to see any indication on their model with vertical toroids.

I'm trying to dig up a video cam again so I can shoot some video's tonight showing what I'm talking about.  It's possible that mine works different because of a thin core, but I think everyone will find exactly what I have when they test it at home.  When using like poles facing out, if the toroid is laying flat, their is only one sticky spot.  If the toroid is standing vertically, it then has 2 sticky spots.  I have tested this with washers, lock washers, small toroid cores, it does not seem to matter I am seeing the same results.  Now as soon as you flip the magnets to opposite poles facing out, you go back to one sticky spot in BOTH scenarios.  I still admit, it seems to run better with like poles facing outward, I'm just trying to figure out if that is in fact what Steorn is doing or not.

It is possible that this is the reason Steorn chose to lay the coils on the side when doing the close up demo.  Doing it this way, makes it more difficult for people to notice they are using like poles...  maybe...  I don't know, I'm just trying to figure this thing out.  Unless of course they simply are NOT using like poles, which maybe we can figure this out soon for sure.