STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[captainpecan]

1)  When reversing the pulse polarity, the rotor has the same direction of rotation.  What is biasing the rotor in one direction only with either polarity in the pulse?  If the pulse is TDC, it shouldn't have any net rotation with either polarity.  When the pulse is slightly to the left/right, then reversing the pulse polarity will reverse the rotation direction.

Well, when you figure in the fact that Steorn keeps saying that Orbo does not work from pulses pushing or pulling the rotor.  Then it makes sense.  They must be very simply adjusting all the values of the motor so that the current will only jumble the alignment of the domains in the core, and not bias them in any direction at all.  This is the only way I can think of that current in either direction will have the same effect on the rotor.  Like we've been discussing, they are simply cloaking the core from the magnets so that the magnets cannot attract to them for a short time.  I believe this is why they are stating so strongly that they need a very precise current and voltage value at all times.  Because I'm betting a slight drift in current either up or down, may have an effect on that rotor that would cause switching polarities to again make a difference.

[k4zep]

Grrrr, cannot you just read what I have written a few posts back ?!! Look at the properties of Mumetal !! Like talking to the wall ;]

Hi AS!

You might be absolutely right. 4:30 a.m. here, woke up with this thought.

I suggest there is another way to do it with 1 magnet per coil set.  Rotor magnets on the horizontal in rotation plane.  IF 1 magnet is X wide or diameter, then wind two toroids X/2 wide, one CW wound and CCW wound, Place them on top of each other, each hole in the vertical direction of orientation and facing the magnet exactly centered on the magnet wired in series, start to finish to start to finish.  Thus 1/2 of magnet field is approaching a coil with the CW wind and 1/2 magnet approaching with CCW winding, any CEMF is canceled out but the switching ORBO "effect" is there.  Two sets of these coils in a BUCKING configuration (start to finish of one set to finish to start on other "set" of cores) on opposites sides of rotor, the currents will be 180 degrees out of phase between them during switching and can be picked off with a transformer/resistive/etc load between them.  I was wrong before on one statement, the currents do not feed around through the power supply but should be simply completed by appropriate switching across the whole system of coils as in a standard pulse systems.

Everyone realizes that for all of this to work, there is some very precise machining  and coil assembly required to get pure cancellation in the whole system with the resultant output the Input current plus the "effect".  Or I out=I in + Orbo effect.  Precision, speed of rotor and speed in switching on and off and switching inductance differential speed is of the essence then!  As maximum effect is equal to peak field in toroids effecting the inductance shift, pulse would be at TDC and only wide enough to develop the effect via the inductance shift.  I just realized,the micrometer at the top of the motor is not for precise bearing adjustment as they are already precise, it is for precise vertical adjustment of the tracking of the rotor/magnet interface for maximum cancellation!

There might be two or three other ways to wind these cores for same effect and switching but have to try it as BS (brain simulation) only goes so far!  Bleary eyed, no glasses, going back to bed.

Respectfully
Ben

[exnihiloest]

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Scientists will take a free energy device, and say it is not possible because it violates the law. 
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Not exactly. Science is based on observations and experiments. Scientists say: where is the evidence you get more out than in?
Many people, including scientists, replicated Naudin's lifter but no one is (yet?) able to duplicate a free energy device. OU is rejected by scientists less for a question of theory not matching the experiments than for a question of experiments not matching the builders claims.
When experiments contradict obviously solid theories, they are checked and if confirmed, theories are modified or replaced.

[Airstriker]

Ok guys now please read carefully what I'm going to write and please don't ignore it only for the reason that I've written only 8 posts here!

ORBO is in fact a motor and generator in one! What's most important it doesn't even need the top disks generator part!

And here is what will blow your mind - a mathematical / physical proof of working ORBO !!!:

i x v = dL/dt x 1/2 x i^2

where x is meaning a multiplication sign.

Since i x v is the energy transferred to the system per time, it follows that (L/2)i^2 is the energy of the magnetic field generated by the current. A change in current thus implies a change in magnetic field energy, and this only is possible if there also is a voltage.

Left side of the equation is the input, right side is the output of the system.

Now consider a constant current in a time frame. Since current is constant the magnetic field generated by that current also stays constant.

Now note, what Sean has shown about ORBO action considering a change in Inductance.

Since current stays constant on the input side of the equation and we have change in Inductance on the right side of the equation (due to ORBO interaction), what we end up with is a gain in magnetic field energy !!

What is more important here is the fact, that the higher the change in Inductance and the lower the time frame, the more magnetic energy gain !!!

So now you understand what Sean meant when he was saying that what really counts is the RPM and not the torque, right ?!

Now, what you do to get that magnetic energy gain back in electrical terms ? Colapse the field !!!

Also bear in mind that the higher the RPM, the smaller the time frame (energy needed) to saturate the core. So the higher the RPM, the time frame where the core is saturated divided by the time frame where the field is being colapsed, is getting closer to 1.

So all in all how ORBO really works ?:

- saturate the core with the smallest current possible at the right time (which is when the magnet meets toroid coil) - this is the only way that you end up with no back EMF
- use mumetal (SOFTMAG 78 Series) as the core material - hight permeability | low saturation point
- release the current at the right time (when the magnet is at the max distance from the toroid and so the Inductance is maximum)
- probably also use magnetic viscosity effect to lower the time frame in which current has to be provided to the coil - mutmetal should like this (is this the real secret of the ORBO?)
- what you have at this moment is a gain in magnetic field energy which you utilize due to the colapse of the field (gratis electrical energy)
- you have a moving motor which enables you to make other (next) interactions for free (gratis kinetical energy)

Now what you can do more is:
- use the kinetical energy to do work (ordinary generator at the top disk of ORBO) - just make sure that it doesn't make the motor decrease it's speed - motor RPM must stay constant - remember what the tachoman was doing ?
- use low friction bearings to get more RPMs
- make the interaction gaps the lowest possible
- close the magnetic loop where the interaction is taking place (remember the two magnets in the original ORBO?)
- other stuff ?


Man... I just didn't realize it's so perfect !!!!!!!

Best regards,
Julian S.

[gravityblock]

They must be very simply adjusting all the values of the motor so that the current will only jumble the alignment of the domains in the core, and not bias them in any direction at all.  This is the only way I can think of that current in either direction will have the same effect on the rotor.  Like we've been discussing, they are simply cloaking the core from the magnets so that the magnets cannot attract to them for a short time.  I believe this is why they are stating so strongly that they need a very precise current and voltage value at all times.  Because I'm betting a slight drift in current either up or down, may have an effect on that rotor that would cause switching polarities to again make a difference.

I disagree with you.  The domains are already jumbled and not biased in any particular direction in most cases without any outside influences and this makes the core attractive.  If the pulse from the current jumbled the domains, then it would make the core attractive during it's departure and would not cloak the core from the magnets.

The attraction of mu-metal gets stronger when it first heads towards saturation until it reaches a peak.  After this peak, then it starts losing its attractiveness. 

Lumen is going to like this.  Now, if the dual magnets have opposite poles, they will start saturating the mu-metal and this will increase the attraction force during it's approach.  At TDC, the mu-metal is at it's peak attraction, but is pre-saturated from the magnets.

The other side of the core is made up of a different material and it's pre-saturated at TDC and has very little attractive force.

The pulse at TDC will begin to saturate the mu-metal and it will begin losing it's attraction force.  The other material is fully saturated and will increase the rate at which the mu-metal is saturated causing it to lose it's attraction force quicker during it's departure than what it took to become more attractive during it's approach.

When the pulse ends, it takes both materials longer to de-saturate than what it took for them to be saturated by the pulse.  This leads to an inductance gain.

This is manipulating the "Time Frames" that was mentioned as their theory on where the gains in inductance is coming from.

I haven't thought this through completing and I am just throwing it out here.  I am sure there are full of mistakes in the above because I am short on time in writing this post.


GB