STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[hekkmekk]

Yes this is a battery.
To be more precise it is this one:

http://www.kosser.net/Products/eFiamm.php

[PaulLowrance]

Indeed, that was a nice exercise, leading to great insights.
Thanks Omnibus, Omega_O.
This shows how powerful open source really is.

It does not matter if it's subtracted or not, but so far they've shown zero evidence of it. What's so difficult to understand that the input rise is due to current into the toroid, and the sudden drop in the graph is due to the diode rectifying the collapsing field back into the battery. 

[Omnibus]

@neptune,

What they are selling is an idea , or intellectual property.

How can you sell an idea? I've never heard of such a thing. If it's intellectual property it should have protection such as a patent, copyright, design or it should be a trade secret (ideas cannot be patented, as you probably know). As far as I know Steorn doesn't have any of the first three, so what remains is selling a trade secret. Do you think they have trade secrets relating to Orbo? What is it that you're supposed to be silent about when you sign an NDA? How about if they start claiming all kinds of things after you sign an NDA with them and make it appear they own things you've never even imagined they do at the time of signing the NDA?

There's something deeply unclear to me about their business model. Unless they turn it into a non-profit organization I don't see how any investor would expect any return on his or her investment.

As for the practical side of the issue of concern to us, I think those of the participants who already have rigs manufactured should try to find the proper high-end equipment and carry out the just discussed procedure to determine if their contraption is indeed overunity. That's as practical an approach as can be.

[Omega_0]

I hope everyone shares their own findings.
Please remember that this thread is about discovery, and not all ideas, opinions, graphs shall be 100% correct. They keep changing and nothing is final unless it works.

Info will be limited and partial, unless you buy the licenses, which are being given away at the cost of peanuts, because other companies usually charge millions for IP or even for songs or music. But its downside is the NDA, which is against the spirit of open source.

I doubt that steorn will ever open source its tech. It is a commercial org. Their profit will not come from selling licenses or kits, but from royalties. Even if one product comes out in market out of 100s of licenses they are selling, they will be billionaires.

[neptune]

Does anyone actually know if Steorn has a patent on Orbo ?