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[lostcauses10x]

@Omega_0,

My first reaction when @teslaalset was mentioning inductance L was that we shouldn't bother with these details at this time. But now I see your point. You want to model a trace matching the Steorn experimental trace by varying R, L, mu etc. Once values of this set of parameters is established we would look for matching materials. Kinda reverse engineering of the materials and conditions used. Sounds reasonable.

On this you have to also use the diode voltage drop to decay rate. It may be easier to give you some values. Yet what diode was used???  what is the real VD across it??

Still the L/R for decay rate, with the v locked due to the diode might be useful.  .2 to .7 VD might give a value range.

And don't forget what YOU call "important" may not be to others.. seems to be a problem with you.

[Omega_0]

@Omni,

Yes, exactly.
We do have some values for some of the parameters and assuming no new physics is involved, one can estimate the input loss and output.

[Omnibus]

Of course, after adding the heat loss at the input, it is NOT ou and I guess they are trying to solve this problem since 6 years and had no success.

Even after adding the heat loss at the input it is OU. In such a case the output I^2R will be part of what's been provided by the input I*V(which includes Joule heating part), according to CoE. As we see, however, there is a quantity over and above the difference between I^2*R and V*I which is three times (I*V - I^2*R). So, we have:

Input -- I*v + I^2*R = I*V
Output -- 3I*v + I^2R = 2*I*v + I*V

Thus,

Pout/Pin = (2*I*v + I*V)/I*V = (2*(v/V) + 1) > 1

That's the power balance (respectively, energy balance if integrated over t) which proves violation of CoE. To make it practical one has to have the output energy above unity in a proper form to feed it into the input. That's a hitherto unresolved technical problem. The unresolved technical problem (of no significance to science whatsoever) by no means cancels the fact that the device in question is an OU machine, as seen above.

[captainpecan]

A D-cell could run a low power motor over a year.

Lets be a bit more responsible and show input & output measurements. There should nothing to hide. I've shown mine! 

Really?  That's cool.  Show us your's doing it?  Or better yet, just show us your's actually get 7 days like a real Orbo does?  OH, OH, how about showing us your battery go up in voltage AT ALL, without disconnecting it?  How about that? It should not be so hard, since as you seem to claim it is so easy to do, and means nothing.  Then show us, or leave Jimboot the the hell alone.  He is doing a fantastic job with his Ossie Motor, and even though so far his is looking towards maybe be a self runner soon, he is still working on his Orbo replication.  How about you quite trashing everyone.  Not that you are going to listen anyway, I'm sure like before your just going to say that now I'm attacking you, and suppressing free energy, and maybe I'm even a paid poster now trying to hurt the movement.  Whatever, I don't really care.  Attack me all you want, I've been developing a thick skin.

I don't think anyone in this thread but yourself is interested in listening to your arrogance, and trashing other peoples work.  That's all you have been doing was touting terribly measured COP results of your 1 toroid orbo, and thowing crap in the face of anyone who does anything different than you.  Please stop chasing great builders away from this forum with your arrogance.  There dropping like flies.

[Pirate88179]

Post removed in an effort to remain on topic.

Bill