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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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PaulLowrance

#2495
February 07, 2010, 05:27:23 PM
If we're going to use a BH-curve, then it would have to be the upper part of the BH curve, but even  that is not accurate for this setup. Consider the following two images. One image simply shows the full BH curve of the normal material just as a reference. The thin image shows the upper part of the BH curve, which you should use for the Orbo analysis, but again even that is inaccurate for the Orbo design due to the external field from the magnet.

PaulLowrance

#2496
February 07, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: teslaalset on February 07, 2010, 05:17:48 PM
B.t.w. instead of a diode, it could simply be shortened as well.
(in case of reed switches or relais)

How would shorting it act as a rectifier? You mean short it a certain times? That wouldn't dump the energy back into the battery, as seen in the scope shot. From the start Sean said there was a diode placed across the coil, but if they want higher efficiency then they would simply direct that to the battery. As seen in close up camera shots of the board we can see a diode chip. These chips usually have 2 to 4 diodes, which is all we need to fully rectify the pickup coil.

The last Steorn Talks is very revealing. It shows the RL curve and time constant, and pulse width. The pickup coil scope shot provides some indication they're using a square loop core.  ;)   Also it shows how much of the energy goes back into the battery from inductance-- a high percentage.

Bruce_TPU

#2497
February 07, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on February 07, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
Hey Bill,

Ok, having a shorted winding on the primary does indeed allow the current to flow, and reduces the need for much voltage at all.  I have just burned up some wires (too much current), no biggie... LOL  But I now must switch from my 12 volt sealed lead acid to a D Cell and see what happens.  Worst case, I put it onto my power supply.  I really want to go with a battery if I can.

Shorted secondary (my green winding) is not connected to anything but itself (shorted)

Hey Bill,

D cell won't work for my setup.  I am using a Mosfet and it is not getting enough voltage to trigger.  But plenty of current!  LOL 

For getting down to the bare minimum voltage needed and max current, it would seem that shorting the secondary is indeed the way to go.  But... My toroid STILL will not saturate.  (see pic below)  So I will add more winds in series with my 20 awg of 26 awg.  I have also ordered Jimboot and ossies toroid.

Keepin' windin'...

Bruce
http://www.energyfreedomreport.com
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

teslaalset

#2498
February 07, 2010, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 07, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
How would shorting it act as a rectifier? You mean short it a certain times? That wouldn't dump the energy back into the battery, as seen in the scope shot. From the start Sean said there was a diode placed across the coil, but if they want higher efficiency then they would simply direct that to the battery. As seen in close up camera shots of the board we can see a diode chip. These chips usually have 2 to 4 diodes, which is all we need to fully rectify the pickup coil.

The last Steorn Talks is very revealing. It shows the RL curve and time constant, and pulse width. The pickup coil scope shot provides some indication they're using a square loop core.  ;)   Also it shows how much of the energy goes back into the battery from inductance-- a high percentage.

Ah, I see some confusion occurring.
In my understanding the rectifier diode(s) were used for the pickup coil, not the driving coil.

I mean shortening the driving coil right after switching off the power to the driving coil. In this way one can switch off the coil at bit more earlier, because current is 'recycled' within the driving coil.

[edit]
In the scope picture the coil is powered until 25 degrees after TDC, while 45 degrees was mentioned as the optimum switch off moment in one of the Steorn videos. That would be a nice twist.

PaulLowrance

#2499
February 07, 2010, 06:09:46 PM
Indeed, I recall Sean saying it's 20 to xx degrees. You might be interested in this,

http://globalfreeenergy.info/2010/02/04/another-plus-for-steorn/
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